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Offline Curval

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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2004, 05:50:42 AM »
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A bunch of half starved to death jews and other polish people sure made a lot of trouble for the massive german war machine when they got their hands on just a few "itty bitty guns."


Correct, but they certainly were unable to stop a genocide.

But, it would be different in the US...because...um...because.
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2004, 06:00:41 AM »
Maybe against foreign work power.

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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2004, 06:07:30 AM »
Course it can, anyone who thinks humanity is any better today then it was 60 years ago is kidding themselves. Especially when religion comes into it.



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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2004, 06:28:58 AM »
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Course it can, anyone who thinks humanity is any better today then it was 60 years ago is kidding themselves. Especially when religion comes into it.



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at least people have been getting over the religious fanatism in the last couple hundred years.

btw. seems to me like southern states in US messes religion more in the politics than most of the europe.

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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2004, 06:32:51 AM »
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Correct, but they certainly were unable to stop a genocide.

But, it would be different in the US...because...um...because.


The vast majority of people killed in holocaust did not put up a fight, not one bit. They just let the nazis take them, MG them to death or gas therm to death. Like sheep, they had no weapons and they had no choice.  Made it very easy and smooth for the nazis to kill 10 million people.

Imagine if they did putt up a fight every time the nazis came and collected people for the trains

Or lets the extend the Jewish example to post WW2.

A few lightly armed Jews were able to stop all the arab armies from driving them into the sea. Sure the arabs werent the nazi army but imagine the outcomne if those Jews didnt have a few itty bitty guns.

Or how about Bosnia, we know what happend there if the villagers had no guns and were left to the mercy of the Serbian army..

Finally lets extend it to just you and your family, your wife, yiur children.  Lets say they came for you one day, and you knew what was going to happend.  Would you rather have the chance to shoot the sons of *****es, regardless of what the outcome is,  or would you prefer to be unarmed that moment and happily lead your family like sheep to the slaughter? How would you confront them at the door of your home, with somber dignity resigned to your fate or with a loaded gun determined to do the right thing, to stand up for human decency to the last..

Think about that..

Is any one man going to stop an army? Probably not. But does any one man have the power to stop a one sided slaughther of sheep when they come for him or his family, maybe, even if they just go out of this world on their feet and not their knees..
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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2004, 06:54:30 AM »
Grun,

Who are "they"?  Enraged tourists upset that their pina coladas are watery?

Besides...I'm on your side in this thread.  It could not happen in the US.  All that big game hunting and trash shooting scares the heck out of the government....sorry.."them".
« Last Edit: September 02, 2004, 06:58:26 AM by Curval »
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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2004, 07:05:29 AM »
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Grun,

Who are "they"?  Enraged tourists upset that their pina coladas are watery?

Besides...I'm on your side in this thread.  It could not happen in the US.  All that big game hunting and trash shooting scares the heck out of the government....sorry.."them".


I thought the context of the thread makes "they" perfectly obvious...

Does one really need to be graphic in describing who "they" are in the context of this thread and what "they" would do after "they" took you and your family from your home?

And I wasnt arguing whether this could or couldnt hapopend in the USA, though coming from the former yugoslavia, a fairly westernised state, I think it  could possibly happend even here in the USA.

My argument was about that choice you make when they come to your door, or more to the point whether you really even have the opportunity to make that choice.
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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2004, 07:18:42 AM »
Sorry, but the original post is extremely vague with respect to who "they" are in the context of showing up at my door.

"Now the main question. Could the population of the USA, UK, France, Germany, India, China Russia Austria Austrelia ETC be pushed so far they would look the other way while there government committed Genocide on a race or religion? "

Just don't see why anyone would want to committ genocide against a white anglo-saxon protestant living on a small island in the middle of the Atlantic ocean.

Islamic militants maybe?  But then that wouldn't be genocide would it?  That would be terrorism being as there are only a very small population of musilms here.
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2004, 07:56:11 AM »
For our purposes It's not relevant to discuss whether a genocide could actually happend in your community. The scenario I proposed implied that a genocide was taking place and that you were the target. It seems that wasnt clearly communicated.

So for the sake of the argument, lets assume a genocide is allready starting to take place.

And one morning thgis is your situation:

The killers come to your home and demand that you and your family come out. The idea being that they intend to kill you.

Would you rather have a gun at this point or not? Rather fight back or simply let them take your family to the killing fields without offering deadly resistance like the vast majority of hollocaust victims who were unarmed.
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »
Grun, this isn't a gun thread...it is a genocide thread.

Someone said that such an event could happen in the US.  Based on comments from lazs, and others, I said this was impossible.

I am in no danger from a genocide where I live so your question is mute.
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« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2004, 08:19:02 AM »
Hmm I can see where this is headed and just have one thing I'd like to say


I'M IN!
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« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2004, 08:23:52 AM »
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I am in no danger from a genocide where I live so your question is mute.


But the question was hypothetical...

"For our purposes It's not relevant to discuss whether a genocide could actually happend in your community. The scenario I proposed implied that a genocide was taking place and that you were the target. It seems that wasnt clearly communicated.

So for the sake of the argument, lets assume a genocide is allready starting to take place."


I would hope those words made it clear that the situation was hypothetical. If not I'd be glad  to hear your suggestions about how to communicate that point more effectively.

I was interested in what your respobnse vwould be if you were placed in that hypothetical situation.

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« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2004, 08:30:25 AM »
Well, okay.

If "they" came for me and my family I would fight them as best I could.  Such a fight would last only slightly less time than if "they" came for you...or lazs.
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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2004, 08:39:02 AM »
I dont own a gun right now, but I like thae fcat that I have the right to (still). :)

Anyway my overall point is that i think the holocaust, and other genocides, would be a lot lees neat and clean for the excecutioners if their victims fought back at every step instead of being hearded into death trains or busses without resistance.

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2004, 08:42:11 AM »
Well Grun, you better go get yourself one soon.  If a genocide was indeed taking place I doubt you could "nip 'round" to the local gun shop and pick up some protection at the last minute.

You need to follow lazs' example.  Arm yourself to the teeth...just in case!
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