Was hoping to hear about:

[Martlet]

Wow, it didn't even take a whole term to stop it.

[Gyro/T69]

Well, Gee...My job and 300 peeps I work with, when to Mexico in 1999. Who was prez? Or are there really folks out there that believe that this didn't start till GW took office.

[Toad]

Don't be SILLY. Of course it's young Bush's fault.

After all, young Bush proposed NAFTA in.. when was it?

In three separate ceremonies in the three capitals on Dec. 17, 1992, President Bush, Mexican President Salinas, and Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney signed the historic North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The framework agreement proposed to eliminate restrictions on the flow of goods, services, and investment in North America. The House of Representatives approved NAFTA, by a vote of 234 to 200 on November 17, 1993, and the Senate voted 60 to 38 for approval on November 20. It was signed into law by President Clinton on December 8, 1993, and took effect on January 1, 1994.

Ok, Ok... old Bush started it and Clinton signed it into law. Why didn't Clinton veto that badboy anyway?

Now, this "Most Favored Nation" stuff with China. The younger Bush proposed that.... when was it again?

In accordance with this procedure, the President, on October 23, 1979, transmitted to Congress the trade agreement with China, signed on July 7, 1979, its proclamation (Pres. Proc. 4697; 44 F.R. 61161), and the executive order (E.O. 12167; 44 F.R. 61167) granting to China the Jackson-Vanik waiver (H.Doc. 96-209). The agreement was approved by Congress on January 24, 1980 (H.Con.Res. 204, 96th Congress) and entered into force (together with the reciprocal grant of the MFN status, which it contains in addition to all other provisions required by section 405(b) of the Trade Act of 1974) on February 1, 1980.

Whaaaat? Young Bush wasn't President in 1979? WTF?  CARTER was Prez in '79. How'd young Bush do that?

Anyway... EVERYBODY just KNOWS it's all Young Bush's fault. And we can fix it in a jiffy without subsidizing our US industries and without cheating on our worldwide committment to "free trade".

Ooooooooooh yeah. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Get used to it. When some guy in China will work 12 hour days, 6 days a week for a tiny fraction of the US wage for that work, your US jobs are LEAVING. Don't matter who is in the Oval Office and it don't matter what anyone says.

You want free trade? You got it. Now live with it.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Martlet
Wow, it didn't even take a whole term to stop it.

5000 at the end of the first qtr 2k to about 1500 by sept '01.

70% loss in Nasdaq in 6 qtrs.

since 9/01, growth from 1500  to 1900.

Usually the pilot of a plane that pulls it out of a dive is considered in a good light, although the influence of a president on our economy is quite limited.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
5000 at the end of the first qtr 2k to about 1500 by sept '01.

70% loss in Nasdaq in 6 qtrs.

since 9/01, growth from 1500  to 1900.

Usually the pilot of a plane that pulls it out of a dive is considered in a good light, although the influence of a president on our economy is quite limited.

that's what I said.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

If you think some guy in China is putting in 72 hours for $400 you are sadly mistaken. They don't make near that much. Neither do the ones in India. My partner worked for General Electric, for 30 years, his girlfriend still does. They can't get a damned thing done in the States, even at an unreasonable cost. They can make it overseas and ship it and still make triple the profit.

Of course, eventually, all these idiots and the corporations they work for will price themselves out of existence. When no one has a job, and no one makes money, then no one wil buy a damned thing. And no, we can't all be white collar workers at $60K a year, not all 280 million of us. Somebody has to have a real job.

[Gyro/T69]

And what was the name of the wonderfull potato peeler that got in the WTO?


Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) -- The European Union, Japan and Brazil won World Trade Organization approval to impose tariffs worth more than $150 million a year on U.S. imports after Congress failed to end corporate subsidies.


Corporate subsidies, Hmmm isn't that the cure Kerry is going to use to keep jobs in the good okd U.S.A? Yea right!

[VOR]

Originally posted by Sandman
The buck stops in the Oval Office, shipmate.

Except, of course, when something goes well, in which case the Oval Office just "happened to be there at the time".