The Camp of the La7

[DoKGonZo]

My only problem with the La-7 is how dull it is to have every third plane in the air be the same, and most of them seem to build their tactics around trading HO shots.

Since the MA is mainly fought under 10,000 ft and close to a base, it really is the ideal environment for the La-7. You really can't fault people for using a plane that's perfectly suited to the MA. Even more so since .50 cal's are next to worthless for base attack compared to 20mm cannon. And since the MA revolves around base attacks, it's pretty hard to avoid the LA-7 - and you usually encounter it where it likes to fight.


I don't see a problem with a small perk fee for the typical HO dweeb rides like the La-7 and N1K. 2 perks means as long as you maintain a 2:1 k/d you never really will "pay" for your plane. But then the HO fiends will switch to Tiffies - which are easier to kill, but much more lethal HO.

Biggest real problem is that any change HT makes will result in nothing but whines. So we can't even really experiment with ideas. Which is a shame, I'd like to see how people deal with 3 or 4 days of "1942." Or maybe one night just clamp ENY at 10 across the board - just to see what happens.

Oh well ... basically its hopeless.

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
My only problem with the La-7 is how dull it is to have every third plane in the air be the same, and most of them seem to build their tactics around trading HO shots.

I don't see a problem with a small perk fee for the typical HO dweeb rides like the La-7 and N1K. 2 perks means as long as you maintain a 2:1 k/d you never really will "pay" for your plane.

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Charging some perkies (more than 2 perks, I should hope) to fly the La-7 would take care of the over-population issue.

But then the HO fiends will switch to Tiffies - which are easier to kill, but much more lethal HO.

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At least the dweebs would be more inclined to mix it up in another bird for once.  

Oh well ... basically its hopeless.

I disagree.  Nothing is hopeless.  I don't think HT is worried about the whines so much.  Afterall, he enacted this whole ENY thing, & the whining has been louder ever since.  And, last I checked, ENY was STILL part of the game.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by dragoon
and the inability to accelerate past 450 or so in a shallow dive. i dont recall the la7 acting like this in AH1. other planes can out accelerate it on the deck also.

Umm, you sure? On paper, according to the data, the La7 is the best accelerating non-perk plane up to like 18k. In my personal experience this is true in AHI and AHII.

Zazen

[Kweassa]

I'm all for perks for late-war planes.

 But the La-7 is not the only 'overpopulated', or rather, 'overused' plane in the game.

 If HTC should perk the La-7, then they should perk the entire section of late-war fighters to shift the MA back into 1943 environment. Otherwise, perking only the La-7 is not only unfair, but also something that will deeply aggravate the problem even more.

[straffo]

Flew one sortie last night in the La7 ,it was fun (except when a hill jumped in my gunsight ).

I'm the only one suffering of claustrophobia in this plane ?
Compared to the Typhoon I find the visibility pretty weak

Anyway it's fun to run after the runner and still be able to turn with the turner.

I think the La7 is fine as is and should stay unperked, I still prefer the Typhoon and 190.

Plus I don't see any difference in being killed by a LaLa7, a Pee51 a Hunstang in all cases I and no one else failed to handle the situation.

[DoKGonZo]

Well if you were to take that approach (perk all '44 and later rides a little) across the board it could get interesting. Base attacks would be made with more "expendable" planes like La-5's, P47's, 190A-5's, Hurri II's where as the air superiority role would be taken on by the low-perk value planes (P51D, La-7, D-9). This could restore a better balance.

However, two additional steps would need to be taken in this scenario:

1) Perk the heavy bombers - B17 and Lanc, mainly - B26 to a lesser degree. Right now these planes are being used as dive bombers. If you take away the L33T Jabo rides, expect to see this "tactic" taken to the extreme. So strategic bombers need to become something you don't throw away with Kamikaze attacks.

2) New players need to be given a "starting balance" of like 50/25/25 perks - all current accounts should be credited with this amount as well. The reason being that you would otherwise exclude new players from air superiority and strategic bombing missions entirely - and that isn't good for business.

The perk values shouldn't be too high. Basically the value should be about the number of perks you expect a player to be able to earn on average with the ride before being shot down. Meaning if you say a La-7 is too uber, and expect a 3:1 kill ratio, then it's worth about 5 perks (which seems to be what a 3-kill mission in the La-7 gets you). P51's maybe worth 4 since it has no 20mm and will therefore likely get as many assists as kills. And so on. It can't be like it is now for the Me163 where you're more likely to lose perks if you launch against a B17 flight than gain.


In fact ... if you did this you could get rid of the ENY balancer completely. The perk adjustment based on odds would become more predominant if all '44+ rides were perked. (But the logic to determine just who is really at a disadvantage still needs to be reworked ... odds alone is not a true reflection.)

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by Kweassa
I'm all for perks for late-war planes.

If HTC should perk the La-7, then they should perk the entire section of late-war fighters to shift the MA back into 1943 environment. Otherwise, perking only the La-7 is not only unfair, but also something that will deeply aggravate the problem even more.

I could live with that.  I say we give it a try for a month.  

[TBolt A-10]

Very well thought-out, DoKGonZo.  

[DipStick]

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Originally posted by DipStick
If you feel others have an advantage over you in it then fly it yourself,
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10

That'd kind of be like everyone taking advantage of a cheat just because we could.  

It's in no way "cheating" to fly an La7. Get real.  

When you're in a non-La-7 aircraft, turning and burning in a low-E state for the 4th or 5th minute of the fight, it's kind of tough to "learn how to kill (the La-7)" when they join the fight to finish you off.

This is a problem with numbers in the MA and mainly your SA. It has nothing to do with what plane comes in to finish you off.

  oOps...we can't extend and outrun the La-7 in order to setup a re-engagement, and my aircraft sure as HELL can't turn with it.  

If you have trouble turning with it try a different plane. I kill them all the time in my D-11 and it's not a "great" turner nor can it outrun it.

If your next suggestion is..."don't allow yourself to get stuck in a fight on the deck," I might as well quit Aces High because I wouldn't start 85% of my fights.

You said it, not me. I fight 90% of my fights under 8k, usually 3-5k, outnumbered in a jug. Sounds to me like you just need some DA time. I'm just average but look me, Shane, Jaxxo, Morph or others up ingame. We'll help all we can.

And I repeat: "There has to be a 'best' non-perked plane in the game.

[FBBone]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Is it speed or accuracy that is effected by barrel length ?

Speed and accuracy are both affected by barrel length.  The longer the barrel, the more accuracy and velocity.

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Shane
438 threads, 7,392 posts.  all done by the same 5 whiners.

AMEN Shane!

[TBolt A-10]

You said it, not me. I fight 90% of my fights under 8k, usually 3-5k, outnumbered in a jug. Sounds to me like you just need some DA time. I'm just average but look me, Shane, Jaxxo, Morph or others up ingame. We'll help all we can.

And I repeat: "There has to be a 'best' non-perked plane in the game.

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I'll try to find you guys in the DA sometime.  Can't think of a better way to break in my new stick.  I finally have decent rudder control!  

[Fruda]

Hey Urchin, you really should try flying at 15k+ sometimes. It's a much different experience.

That's not to say that I fly that way every flight. I like flying the low-alt Wildcats, Hellcats, Yaks, and Il-2's. And I've evaded more than a few La-7's (I actually downed two La-7's in an Il-2 on different occasions, but being killed by 190's afterwards). It's not easy, but it's definately doable.

And hey, I'm not the guy with a pink La-7 with Richard Simmons painted on it in his avatar (I know that Eskimo did that skin, but you've got it in your avatar).

There's something called being a poor sport, and that seems to be exactly what you are.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by DipStick
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You said it, not me. I fight 90% of my fights under 8k, usually 3-5k, outnumbered in a jug. Sounds to me like you just need some DA time. I'm just average but look me, Shane, Jaxxo, Morph or others up ingame. We'll help all we can.

And I repeat: "There has to be a 'best' non-perked plane in the game.

I think you mean "easist to get kills in" as opposed to "best." The P51 is probably the most overall capable MA plane, but it's easier to get kills in the La-7 given where fights take place.


I've seen you guys refer to the dueling arena a bunch. I had always assumed this was for the H2H junkies - which I never got into. But it sounds like you guys do something akin to "advanced training" in there too.

Back when I flew AW more hours than I slept, I could wade into 3-on-1's and kill 'em all. But years and years of rust have taken their toll - just can't furball like I could in the old daze. Maybe I'll look you guys up some time for a tune up.

[TBolt A-10]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Back when I flew AW more hours than I slept, I could wade into 3-on-1's and kill 'em all.  

AW was a completely different animal (much easier).    Welcome back.