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Offline SlapShot

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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2004, 12:48:36 PM »
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No it would not make much difference at 200-400 yards. Both cannon are 20mm so I don't see how bore would be any different.


I really meant rifiling inside the barrel ... not bore ... sorry.

The tighter the rifling, then more the bullet spins coming out of the barrel which makes the bullet fly a straigher/longer path.
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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2004, 12:55:09 PM »
Actually, matching the rifling of the barrel to the projectile is a science of its own. Too much spin is bad as well. The length of the barrel has little or no effect on rifling though, except for matching muzzle velocity and rifling.
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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2004, 12:56:01 PM »
The La-7 is a definate threat to these planes ...

The P-51D
The Fw190D-9
The Typhoon Mk Ib
The Bf109G-10

cause most who fly them are BnZ artist and when the La catches them ... them haven't a clue what to do ... un-charted territory for them.

These planes ...

The Yak-9U
The N1K2-J
The Spitfire Mk IX
The A6M5b

can dance with the La-7 and in most cases, will beat the La-7.
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« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2004, 12:58:55 PM »
Wrong. The La-7 will beat all those planes ... easilly.
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« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2004, 01:00:01 PM »
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Actually, matching the rifling of the barrel to the projectile is a science of its own. Too much spin is bad as well. The length of the barrel has little or no effect on rifling though, except for matching muzzle velocity and rifling.


Didn't know that. I have a very basic/rudimentary knowledge of this kind of stuff ... just thought that some of it would/might explain the true differences between the 2 types of 20mm cannons.
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« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2004, 01:01:18 PM »
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Wrong. The La-7 will beat all those planes ... easilly.


Well ... once again ... its just boils down to who is behind the stick.
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« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2004, 01:08:17 PM »
I'm talking about equal pilot skill. The problem for the B&Z planes in your list is that the La-7 outperforms them in every single aspect. A 190D-9 for instance cannot hope to escape from a La-7 unless the 190 has altitude and leave without engaging.

In AH1 the La-7 could be out turned by many planes, but now in AH2 the La-7 turns like a Spit9, climbs like a 109G-10, runs like ... nothing else unperked. If you're caught by a La-7 now and the pilot is at least average, your chances of survival are slim at best.
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« Reply #52 on: September 02, 2004, 01:09:42 PM »
Equal pilot skill... I'd say not much stands a chance against an La-7.  In AH2 I'd give it better than even odds against the Tempest.  Seems like the Temp doesn't roll as well as it did in AH1, and the La7s turning advantage is even more pronounced.
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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2004, 01:18:35 PM »
You can't use "equal" pilot skill, cause not all pilots are equal in this game.

Most who fly the La-7 have no clue how to fly it ... only how to cherry pick and run in it.

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A 190D-9 for instance cannot hope to escape from a La-7 unless the 190 has altitude and leave without engaging.


Put Urchin in a D-9, and outside of Shane, he will eat the La-7 for lunch all day long.

The problem is that everyone who encounters the La-7 panics and only thinks to escape rather than fight it.
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« Reply #54 on: September 02, 2004, 01:19:09 PM »
The Spit XIV did surprisingly well against it though, Urchin.  That outcome did surprise me.  I also expected the Tempest to do better.

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« Reply #55 on: September 02, 2004, 01:29:05 PM »
You have to compare with equal pilot skill. Expert pilots La-7 wins. Average pilots La-7 wins. Green pilots La7 wins. Expert pilot vs. average pilot in La-7, La-7 stands a good chance of winning. Expert pilot against green pilot in La-7, La-7 stands a good chance of surviving by running.

The La-7 was designed to be the ultimate dogfighter so that less skilled/trained Soviet pilots could take on the LW. It is no surprise that it does the same thing in AH.
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« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2004, 01:30:27 PM »
Karnak, "better, best" is too subjective a notion for us to ever agree on.  It depends on the circumstances of the given fight.

Speaking from my own experience though I find NIKIs, 109s, Yaks, and Tiffies to be difficult opponents when I am in an LA-7.

NIKIs can out turn me, out stall me, and have a hell of a wallup with those cannons.

109s almost always take the fight vertical and they climb like a fricken rocket so I become the dope on the rope.

Yaks just seem to be much better.  They can outturn, out stall, and definately out dive me.  They also seem to hold E for ever.

Tiffies just dive away and go until I give up and turn back though I know if they have fuel they will be coming in for another round of BNZ after they get back up to alt.

I think the key difference between myself and some other LA-7 pilots is that I fly the LA-7 more like a spit than a 51/190.   By that I mean that I keep in the fight and generally don't extend indefinately and I don't ever do BNZ.

Slap,  I was wondering if anyone would agree with me :)
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« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2004, 01:40:39 PM »
Actually, I rarely kill La-7s in LW planes.  If I drag one away from their horde, they just run if they lose the advantage.  If I meet one who has any idea at all how to fight, I die.
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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2004, 01:41:35 PM »
I don't know what to tell ya ...

Last tour I died 191 times of those deaths only 7 were to La-7s while I killed 26 of them. Not one of those deaths to the La-7 were due to a head-on fight ... all were picks when engaged with other planes.

Seeing that I flew the Spit V and the Seafire mostly last tour, I would be safe in saying that most of the La-7 deaths were not because I chased them down, but rather beat them in a straight up fight. That is almost a 4 to 1 K/D against the La-7. I just don't see the big deal.
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« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2004, 01:44:11 PM »
ever since i started playing this game, i was trained in an la7 and thats what i stuck with. im not the best stick but i dont do half bad either. here are my opinions

-la7 doesnt like speeds over 450 and the nose tends to rise in a dive, in AH1 nose didnt rise at 450+, you could speed it till it compressed. very hard to dive at an angle in it now
-preformance over 11k has a steady drop off with exception of speed
-shooting at anything over 400 is a waist of bullets due to balistic properties, hispanos are better
-nasty snaproll at stall speeds

good points
-if your within a good fireing rage, its like a lightsabre
-turns very well at high speeds
-builds up speed quickly but not the best at it
-dive from 10k hit or miss your right back at 10k
-la7 is a very small target to hit and is easy to avoid bullets coming from about any range while maintaining speed.
-good visability
-3 20mm cannons, devastating at close quarters, not so good at a longer range.

if you not high than ya better be fast. fast meaning over 400 not under. once its slow, its just like anyother plane thats slow and on the deck. easy prey. and i think its easy to sucker an la7 into going to the deck and turning without having to do much turning myself. when i fly la7 i look for other la7s to kill.

i have also noticed that flying a DORA, i live alot longer and die less. its superior to the la7 in every way except turning. it can build E faster, it can grab sky alot faster and i think it holds E better cause its bigger.

wanna per something perk the 190-D9 cause IMO la7s tend to be easy targets. UNperk the TA152 it doesnt deserve it.

the la7 is a favorite among people who know how to fly it and to those who are new to the game. it give the newbs a slight edge, just enough to keep it fun for em.

I was forced into a dora cause of ENY. fact is i dont see half as many la7s flying around after ENY.

what is the big deal about an la7? i dont get it

did i miss anything?
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