Soem background info for the upcoming election...

[WhiteHawk]

"It is the Oil, Stupid!" by Joseph Clifford Mr. Joseph Clifford
contributed above article to Media Monitors Network (MMN) from James Town, Rhode Island.

The Russians got into their Vietnam (Afghanistan)
right after US got out of theirs? Isn't that strange?

US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange?

As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single
Taliban's official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange?

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi
Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil
out. Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1,000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange?

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with
UNOCAL in 1998. Isn't that strange?

1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange?

John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange?

1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange?

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000). Isn't that strange?

9/11 WTC disaster.

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the
hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". Isn't that strange?

Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed
them come proof. We refused; we bombed. Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists." Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi). Isn't that strange?

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil !! Isn't that
strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company
before going to Washington. Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. (Father) now works with the "Carlysle Group"
specializing in huge oil investments around the world. Isn't that
strange?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP of USA. Isn't that strange?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange?

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that
strange?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.
Isn't that strange?

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02) Isn't that strange?

"It's the Oil, Stupid!"

(And all the while we were told it was about terrorism and freedom)

[Saintaw]

I could check my crystal ball to see what answers you will get here... but I don't think I need to.

[WhiteHawk]

yea..no answers necessary unless somebdy can offer information that makes these statements false.  Those are welcome.  I know some of the monetary figures are false, but htye are probably typos.  
  Some other interesting research, the Pipeline through afganastain was going to be used to power the Nat Gas fired power plant in Dubhal, India.  This plant was going to run a large portion of Indias electricity needs.  
  Why is is this strange also?
  1.)  Without the nat gas from the caspian sea to Dubhal, India, the $3 billion + plant would soon fail, along with the company that financed it.
  2.)   The comapny that financed it desparately courted top politicians in order to gather popular support to find a way to get the pipeline installed and operationg, in a big hurry.
  3.)  The company that financed it was a little company called Enron.

  Those of you who lost money in that company can rest easier knowing what these people did to try to save your investment:lol

[Hortlund]

The Russians got into their Vietnam (Afghanistan)
right after US got out of theirs? Isn't that strange?

US supported Bin Laden and the Talibans for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange?

Why is that strange?

As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single
Taliban's official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange?

Source?

There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi
Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil
out. Isn't that strange?

UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1,000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange?

Why is it strange that there is oil in the Caspian sea? Why is it strange that an oil company would want to exploit those oilfields?

UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Talibans for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange?

All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with
UNOCAL in 1998. Isn't that strange?

What is strange with that?

1998-1999 the Talibans changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange?

John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Talibans was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange?

Why is that strange?

1999-2000 The Talibans became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange?

Not really, since they enforced their mideaval version of sharia on themselves, stoning their women, destroying thousand year old Budha statues, generally yanking Afghanistan back to a 7th century AD level of civilization. Is it strange that they are considered evil after that? Not in my book.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July (2000) that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October (2000). Isn't that strange?

Source

Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the
hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

Not particularily, considering that Al Quaeda had its entire infrastructure in Afghanistan.

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". Isn't that strange?

Link me to a speech by Bush claiming to have secret evidence against Bin Laden. Didnt Bin Laden claim responsibility for 9-11 btw?

Talibans offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed
them come proof. We refused; we bombed. Isn't that strange?

Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists." Isn't that strange?

We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?

What exactly is strange about it?

The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL (Hamid Karrzai). Isn't that strange?

Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL" (LakhdarIbrahimi). Isn't that strange?

Not really.

The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil !! Isn't that
strange?

Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company
before going to Washington. Isn't that strange?

George Bush Sr. (Father) now works with the "Carlysle Group"
specializing in huge oil investments around the world. Isn't that
strange?

What is strange about it? If the Bush family made their fortune through oil, what is strange with having Bush Sr work with oil?

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?

What is strange with that? Could there be a correlation between the two? She worked there, they named a tanker after her because they felt she did a good job?

Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP of USA. Isn't that strange?

Why is that strange? Are VPs not allowed to have other jobs before they take office?

Haliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000,000 as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange?

34 billion dollars? Im gonna call BS on that one.

Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that
strange?

Not really since they are in the oil business. Or maybe you disagree? Maybe it is TRULY STRANGE that an oil company also works with oil pipelines?

There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area.
Isn't that strange?

Havent you said that already? What is so strange with that? Geology class might be educational for you in this regard. Newsflash: Oil exists underground at various locations, this is quite normal.

The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange?

President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan - Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02) Isn't that strange?

Why is that strange?

"It's the Oil, Stupid!"

(And all the while we were told it was about terrorism and freedom)

All I see is alot of tinfoil...not much substance.

[WhiteHawk]

I agree.  The dollar amounts are off, but, due to my recent flare up of paranoid psychosis, I decided to check to see if there were any US interests in Afghanistan prior to, during, or after Sept, 2001.
  I ran across this, I am not saying that anything is strange about it, I just wonder if anybody can offer any links that may refute or make these statements false.  I know the dollar amounts ore off.  The 10 gazillion dollars in research in the caspian sea has to be 10 million, and Cheneys severance package is 40 million, not 38 bazillion.  I know oil companies are in the oil business and are prone to look out for their own interests, I am just trying to put the rest the idea that oil companies are running our military.
  The idea that our children are being ground into burger in a foriegn country to ensure that our (US)  vital interests are protected is not shocking to me nor is it outrageous.  Sacrifices must be made for us to enjoy the standard of living that we enjoy.  The idea that some deception or missinformation has been massaged in to our minds to justify the real reason we are making these sacrifices is troubling, to say the least.    
  I just wonder what $150,000,000,000.00 for research into alternative fuel sources would yeild?

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Link me to a speech by Bush claiming to have secret evidence against Bin Laden. Didnt Bin Laden claim responsibility for 9-11 btw?
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Actually, it was condoleeza Rice that claimed to have secret evedince against Bin Laden, to be released in 'Due Time'  that is a fact.  
  I see you are from sweden Hortlund, Let me ask you this, how would you feel if the US stormed your country threw, out your govt, installed its own govt, proceeded to mine its naural resources to enrich itself,  based on the 'alleged' word of one of your politicians, who isnt even a Swedish citizen and just happen to be working with the CIA a few years earlier?  Wouldnt you ask yourself, 'why didnt they just get the perp, AFTER, a trial?
  That  is strange to me.  Thanks for your reply by the way.

[Eagler]

the world and the ppl in Afghanistan are better today ... isn't that strange

[Nilsen]

Some interesting facts there Whiteshark.

Btw, what are you doing in Kabul?

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Some interesting facts there Whiteshark.

Btw, what are you doing in Kabul?

Research

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Research

on what?

[lazs2]

What is strange about paying one group to oust another worse one and then havbing the group you funded turn out to be just as bad or worse?   When you are dealing with insane and eviol groups you gotta be able to turn on a dime.

lazs

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Eagler
the world and the ppl in Afghanistan are better today ... isn't that strange

 Its tomorrow that worries me:eek:

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by lazs2
What is strange about paying one group to oust another worse one and then havbing the group you funded turn out to be just as bad or worse?   When you are dealing with insane and eviol groups you gotta be able to turn on a dime.

lazs

  In fact, it is quite helpful to be insane and evil yourself.

[Toad]

Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it's a "secret". Isn't that strange?

Isn't it strange that you missed the Bin Laden video tape?

The Osama bin Laden video: a viewer's guide

A few minutes later bin Laden says:


"The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.

Isn't it incredibly strange that you folks take all of the above as "facts" without checking any them out?

Not so strange, I guess. Considering who is flocking to this particular banner.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk

Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?

Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?

 

I just had to laugh at this one.  She was also a member of the boards of directors for the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.  So maybe we should link all of the other places where she was a board member and somehow blame it on oil?



Oh and by the way, oil is more expensive today than in 2002.  "Its the oil stupid!"

[Toad]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Its tomorrow that worries me:eek:

Yes, I'm sure you are worried. After all, On October 9, 2004, Afghanistan is scheduled to hold its first presidential elections after Taliban rule. Parlimentary elections are to be held separately next April or May, according to the latest timetable.

You must find this terrifying. Especially considering that the driving force behind this huge change in Afghanistan's degree of freedom was the Evil Amreeka.

Since the registration effort began in December 2003, some 4,200 registration sites throughout the country have been established, registering some 8.6 million voters, of whom 3.5 million or 41 percent are women. Afghan election authorities estimate there are between 9.5 and 9.8 million potential voters in the Central Asian state.

Terrifying isn't it? People being allowed to select there own government!! Yikes!!

What's next? Women going to school? OMG! What if women start to wear colorful scarves on their heads? It's The END of the WORLD!