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« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2004, 09:16:03 PM »
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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2004, 09:57:37 AM »
Martlet,

The 40,000 or whatever you said gallon holding tanks in WTC#7 were found intact by FEMA's own report. They were not the sorce or fire in WTC#7.. No JP4 or Diesel burned in WTC#7...

Whitehawk,

Salute dude.. Been sometime since I've seen you round these parts. Excellent trail at the beginning of the thread. I did not know some of the things you pointed out.

Strk,

Bro! Good to see you again! (Saw you in the other thread) Didnt know you got banned.. haha Carful next time and I know some here make it really hard to be.. hehe Have not seen Pbear in sometime.

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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2004, 12:18:16 PM »
Eskimo2.  I do respect your reply and educational input.  It is   above the name calling and rediculing.  We all know that there have been many high rise fires.  Some of them infernos.  Fully engulfed.  I am in no position to argue about archetechture or structural design or the limits of steel when exposed to heat.
  I will give it to you that, theoretcially, a modern high rise can collapse due to fire.  Can u give an example of one that has, besides the 3 that collapsed due to fire on sept 7?   This is the question that needs to answered.  Talking theory and possibilities are for engineers prior to collapse, not investigators searching for the truth.
  My point, if no modern high rise has ever collapsed due to fire, ( i cant think off hand of a modern high rise that has collapsed due to anything, other than controlled demolition) it strikes me as anomolous, (statistically improbable) that 3 of them collapsed due to fire in 1 day.  
  is it possible?  Possible is a big word, just as big as impossible.
I say, yes it is  possible.  If we were able to work the the US justice system, we would be talking in terms of reasonable doubt.
  In my paranoid crippled mind, i am not convinced, beyond a reasonable doubt, that building #7 collapsed due to fire.
  Particulary given the owners (Silverstein) statemnet that he ordered the building pulled, just prior to its collapse.

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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2004, 12:48:25 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2004, 12:48:38 PM »
Hiya, kappa.  Good to hear ya.  Ive been busy lately and havnt been able to fly.  I couldnt think of a better wingman to have at a time like this either.  If you really want to dive in deep, get the
Power hour video "in plane sight".  Jeezus, its scary.  
http://www.thepowerhour.com.  Its 20 bucks but has some video that has never been aired since 9/11.  The huge explosion (building 6) captured on live film.
 They screwed up that one.  The building blew up BEFORE the dang towers fell.  
  Hopefully, within  a year or so , I will be able to fly aces high2 again.  (under an assumed name).  Take care and make sure you have your antivirus and firewall running at all times.  I spent all morning getting rid of a virus.  Those sites are bugged.

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2004, 12:49:31 PM »
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WhiteHawk, are you going to source the damn quotes or are you just shooting a bunch of hot air?


which quotes thrawn?  The one that says WSJ 27 sept 2001?
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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2004, 01:03:12 PM »
WhiteHawk, if you are in Kabul, as you alluded earlier, then how is it you are posting from the St. Louis area of the U.S.?

I await your answer before determining if this is a troll/flame bait.
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2004, 01:09:43 PM »
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WhiteHawk, if you are in Kabul, as you alluded earlier, then how is it you are posting from the St. Louis area of the U.S.?

I await your answer before determining if this is a troll/flame bait.


Actually I am not in Kabul afghanistain.  As you can see by the spelling of afghanistain, it is an inside joke.  
  Skuzzy, If the topic here is too sensitive to post.  I will understand and step down.

What is a troll/flame bait anyway?

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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2004, 01:12:01 PM »
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I could check my crystal ball to see what answers you will get here... but I don't think I need to.


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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2004, 01:22:09 PM »
These are not my quotes. they are not my words I offer no opinion here.  This is a copied and paste from another article, probably a manaicl propaganda specialist who has succeeded in brainiwashing me.  This passage gives the wource for the silverstien comment.
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In a stunning and belateddevelopment concerning the attacks of

9/11 Larry Silverstein, thecontroller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBSdocumentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish theSolomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon ofTuesday, Sept. 11, 2001.

This admission appeared in a PBSdocumentary originally aired in Sept. of 2002 entitled"Rebuilding America, A Year at Ground Zero". MrSilverstein's comments came after FEMA and the Society of CivilEngineers conducted an extensive and costly investigation intothe curious collapse of WTC 7. The study specifically concludedthat the building had collapsed as a result of the infernowithin, sparked, apparently, by debris falling from the crumblingNorth Tower.

In the documentary Silversteinmakes the following statement;

"...Iremember getting a call from the fire department commandertelling me they were not sure they were going to be able tocontain the fire...and I said, 'Well, you know, we've had suchterrible loss of life...maybe the smartest thing to do is, is 'pull'it...and they made that decision to 'pull'...uh,and we watched the building collapse."

Mr. Silversteins comments stand indirect contradiction to the findings of the extensive FEMAreport. They even negate Kevin Spacey's narrative in the verydocumentary in which they appear; "WTC 7 fell afterburning for 7 hours." If it had been generally known thatthe building was "pulled" wouldn't Mr. Spacey havephrased it that way?

In the same program a cleanupworker referred to the demolition of WTC 6; "...well, we'regetting ready to "pull" buildingsix." There can be little doubt as to how theword "pull" is being used in this context
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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2004, 01:29:38 PM »
If it is not a troll/flame bait, it is pointless paranoia.  However, we seem to have left that off the list of rules.

The structural and architectural engineers of the WTC said the building did exactly what the mathematical model predicted they would do in thier design.
They were designed to collapse on themselves if structural failure occurred anywhere in the building.

The engineers breathed a sigh of relief.  If the buildings had not done what they were designed to do, then many more deaths would have resulted.
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« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2004, 02:34:58 PM »
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If it is not a troll/flame bait, it is pointless paranoia.  However, we seem to have left that off the list of rules.

 


I will be expecting it soon.  

Your staments above are all true.  they speak of the design of the building and how well it performed.  I look at it and see a building that collapsed due to fire.  My paranoid mind tells me 'it didnt perform very well'.   did the engieneers calculate there may be people in that building?  So any part of the structure that fails wipes out the entire population inside of it?  Its a good darn thing these engineers didnt do the Murrah building in OK city.
Or the twin towers themselves ('93 bombing of the towers), or that thing would have come down smashing thousands.

Pointless?  I can inmagine being one of the firefighters on the 40th floor of one of the towers and hearing the roar above me and knowing its all over.  Thier wives and children, mothers and fathers, friends.  
    In my paranoid mind, there is reasonable doubt that Al queda did this alone.  There was no trial.  Do we need a trail?  We have attas wallet pulled out of the wreckage with his al queada membership card inside.  Good thing it didnt melt, because there isnt a whole lot else, is there?  
   

And thats all for me.  I hope and pray I am wrong, because we are soon going to need to justify disarming the evildoers of nukes.  

Good luck to all and i sincerely apologize if this has upset anybody.
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2004, 02:37:44 PM »
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Good luck to all and i sincerely apologize if this has upset anybody.
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« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2004, 02:39:18 PM »
Sooo.... do you think it was the democrats that caused it to try and make Bush and the republicans look bad?

even so..  I wasn't gonna vote democrat anyway... but... thanks for the heads up.

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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2004, 02:41:33 PM »
You do not get it.  A structural failure means the building or a major part of the building was going to collapse.

You could not build it where every member could support the entire weight of the building.  The force/inertia of a floor collapsing onto another floor will cause every tall building to collapse.  And once the first one goes, the rest will follow.

If you allowed the building to topple over, even the upper half of the building, the death count could have been much higher.
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