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Offline Chortle

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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2004, 09:36:57 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://www.wlo-usa.org/Intl%20Opinion/french_connection.html
That article likens Nayoufs treatment by the French intelligence agencies to those used by their Syrian counterparts which seems biased to me. He spent 9 years in prison in Syria and needed urgent medical attention on release (in France, after French diplomatic efforts had him released) as opposed to being interviewed for several hours by the French DST.

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Recently, he revealed three potentially explosive documents that he says connect Syria, France and Iraq to episodes involving hidden Iraqi WMDs and election bribery

These documents show Jaques Chiracs re election campaign partly funded by Iraq and maps showing possible locations of Iraqi WMDs in Syria. They imply the DST stole them, and substantiate this by the fact that the DST later asked him for his password.

We’re meant to believe that Najouf had encrypted these documents so well that the French secret service had to ask him for his password? Good man, though not making any backups seems a bit of an oversight.

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The documents, which Nayouf acquired from sources in the Middle East, have captured the attention of media outlets in the U.S. and abroad.
Funny that, because I cant find a trace. The fact he claims to have these documents and his claims they were stolen by the French DST has some attention, not the documents themselves, because no ones seen them.

I thought the anguished plea at the end by Najoufs colleague that the US should step in and protect him from the evil French was a nice touch, think it shows the articles authors true agenda. They should have just called that article ‘Reasons to Nuke France’ and have done with it.

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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2004, 09:45:35 AM »
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Originally posted by deSelys


Ripsnort: yes, I've already heard about that. I don't say that it is false, but the proofs are weak and unconclusive at best.



Weak and inconclusive?  Well, there was enough proof to begin a full investigation. Denial is not a river in Egypt, deSelys.

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Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, has begun a high-level investigation into allegations of kickbacks and bribes in the U.N.-run oil-for-food programme for Iraq.

Volcker assumed his post as head of a three-man team after he was assured that all 15 members of the U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution to back the investigation,  
which will include a probe of contracts with Iraq around the world.

"We will be following the money as well as we can," Volcker Volcker told a news conference.

"I wanted a resolution to make sure that member governments and member states knew what they were getting into," he said.

The council's resolution called "on member states, including their national regulatory authorities, to cooperate fully by all appropriate means with the inquiry."

Under the now-defunct programme, Iraq was permitted to sell oil in order to buy civilian goods. Its purpose was to ease the impact on ordinary Iraqis of sanctions imposed after the 1991 Gulf War.

There is mounting evidence that the United Nations Oil-for-Food program, originally conceived as a means of providing humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people, was subverted by Saddam Hussein's regime and manipulated to help prop up the Iraqi dictator. Saddam's dictatorship was able to siphon off an estimated $10 billion from the Oil-for-Food program through oil smuggling and systematic thievery, by demanding illegal payments from companies buying Iraqi oil, and through kickbacks from those selling goods to Iraq--all under the noses of U.N. bureaucrats. The members of the U.N. staff administering the program have been accused of gross incompetence, mismanagement, and possible complicity with the Iraqi regime in perpetrating the biggest scandal in U.N. history.


« Last Edit: September 09, 2004, 09:47:59 AM by Ripsnort »

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« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2004, 09:45:56 AM »
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Don't you think that if significant WMDs had been found, GWB would use the findings to support his re-election campaign??


Your reaction is the reason that it won't be used.

Exactly how much is enough? Is the potential to kill 500,000 people not enough for you? Regardless of what is found, it will never be enough for those that want to deny it. You did choose to ignore several other issues as well.

The picture you posted is absurd, and the text below it non-factual. I can only hope that you will take the time to research facts, not opinionated conclusions, and base your beliefs on what you conclude, not on what others tell you to believe.

All I can suggest is to expand your resources. Read from both sides, and, if you can find them, reports that have no sides.

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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2004, 09:47:33 AM »
And BTW, don't forget to vote this November!!!

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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2004, 09:48:28 AM »
You don't need proofs to begin an investigation. Rumours are enough.

OTOH you'd better have some at the end of it if you want a condemnation.


But 'denial is not a river in Egypt' cracked me up, thanks :lol
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2004, 09:50:25 AM »
So french aren't allowed to export weapon technology, but americans are?

Let's not forget americans have also exported technology certain parts of middle east, asia, south america....
Certainly also to countries which falls in same caterogy with Iraq.

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« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2004, 09:53:34 AM »
Paul Volcker!  Speaking of.....    I wish they'd hire him to find the missing billions Halliburton can't account for.
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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2004, 09:58:29 AM »
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So french aren't allowed to export weapon technology, but americans are?

Let's not forget americans have also exported technology certain parts of middle east, asia, south america....
Certainly also to countries which falls in same caterogy with Iraq.


Do the words "Cooperative UN embargo" mean ANYTHING to you?

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« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2004, 10:14:10 AM »
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Do the words "Cooperative UN embargo" mean ANYTHING to you?


Cooperative UN embargo=oxymoron

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« Reply #39 on: September 09, 2004, 10:14:45 AM »
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No it hasn't. Provide evidence.




No they hadn't. Provide evidence.




No it hasn't. Provide evidence.




No it hasn't. Provide evidence.




There is no evidence to ignore.


It all has, go find it yourself. I assume you're old enough to be able to do the research. I did. And no, I'm not going to help you. It's not my job to educate you. That particular task 'lies' with the EU. Lazs convinced you of one thing, which amazes me beyond belief. But I don't have the desire to sell you on the facts as he does.

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« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2004, 10:19:03 AM »
Lazerus,

None of those statements are true in the context that you would have others to believe. Simply not true..

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2004, 10:35:15 AM »
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Lazerus,

None of those statements are true in the context that you would have others to believe. Simply not true..


That I would have others believe?? There are facts and there are lies. Everything I posted is a fact. The degree of what you call proof is what is in question.

My opinion on the matter is obvious. I have researched and read many reports, not editorials. My position is based from that. If you can lead me to evidence that you think will contradict the reports I've read, then show me. I stated that it's not my role to educate anyone, as it's not yours to educate me. I've found everything I can on the subject. If you have resources I don't, lead this horse to the river.

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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2004, 10:41:30 AM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
Either you are lying, or you have been lied to by liars.


Objectivity and logic are wonderfull tools to sift through the BS that is shoved down our throats everyday. I was typing while you were, you posted first, read my post. Seek other sources and I will do the same.

 
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Lazs and I have always agreed on weapon bans. [/B]


For some reason I thought you were against it at one point and changed your point of view from Lazs posts. I guess I should go back and search the bbs to see who that was. Sorry for the mix-up.

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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2004, 08:43:49 PM »
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Do the words "Cooperative UN embargo" mean ANYTHING to you?


Nuh huh.. US hasn't exactly been the brightest example either with the international treaties.

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« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2004, 03:17:45 AM »
Iraq had no bomb project: Expert

Australia's top expert on Iraq's weapons has said prewar coalition claims that Iraq was importing the components of a nuclear weapons program - including aluminium tubes for use in centrifuges - were wrong.
Brigadier-General Stephen Meekin, who commands a 500-strong unit with primary responsibility for collecting Iraq's illicit military technology, made the revelations to The Washington Post.
Based on documents and interviews with arms investigators from the United States, Britain and Australia, the Washington Post investigation found that the central assertions of the Bush Administration's prewar nuclear case against Saddam Hussein were insubstantial or untrue.

Although Saddam did not relinquish his nuclear ambitions or technical records, investigators said, it was now clear he had no active program to build a weapon, produce its key materials or obtain the technology he needed for either.
Among the closely held internal judgements of the Iraq Survey Group, overseen by David Kay as special representative of CIA director George Tenet, are that Iraq's nuclear weapons scientists did no significant arms-related work after 1991, that facilities with suspicious new construction proved benign, and that equipment of potential use to a nuclear program remained under seal or in civilian industrial use.


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