Author Topic: Gabby Gabreski (Read 3256 times)

nopoop · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »

I FIXED THE SCANNER !!!

I AM A GOD !!!

Here's the photo I was talking about. It verifies Nomde's invasion stripe representation.

Nomde, isn't that left wingroot a whole lot of fun ??? Actually there's a few places on that 3D model that are fun

Tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look...

I still have the ol' tweak and look left to do on the Stalag.. But I'm a god today so I might just drink cheeep beer.

Necture of the gods

Nomde · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2004, 12:22:55 PM »

WTG on the scanner nopoop

now if I could only get these dang rudder pedals working..... Jesus... working on so many things now my flying time is nill

Nomde · « **Reply #17 on:** September 06, 2004, 12:38:49 PM »

Ok,
I just talked with Dale at HT Creations and he says no swastika period.

Hmmm... I'm thinking of putting the Black crosses on for the kill markings. What do y'all think of a red background and the black cross in the center? I'll do a quick rendition and post it.....

How's this??

nopoop · « **Reply #18 on:** September 06, 2004, 12:50:56 PM »

What I would do is just blur them a bit and back off the opacity a bit more. It would look funny with crosses.

I've got a couple flags on Camerons ride below 4 crosses and you can't make out the "swastika". The red/white/black just gives the "impression"

Try that first.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 06, 2004, 01:11:57 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop
I FIXED THE SCANNER !!!

I AM A GOD !!!

Here's the photo I was talking about. It verifies Nomde's invasion stripe representation.

Nomde, isn't that left wingroot a whole lot of fun ??? Actually there's a few places on that 3D model that are fun

Tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look, tweak and look...

I still have the ol' tweak and look left to do on the Stalag.. But I'm a god today so I might just drink cheeep beer.

Necture of the gods

Thanks nopoop. I hadn't seen that image before. Strange that they would have done the invasion stripes on the fuselage different on his Jug.

Kinda figured that being able to do the silver canopy was an issue on the skin Nomde.

Either way it looks great. It's enough to get a guy to fly Jugs more in AH that's for sure

Dan/Slack

Citabria · « **Reply #20 on:** September 06, 2004, 01:28:06 PM »

top side fuselage stripes are white with thin black outlines.
bottom side fuselage stripes are full black and white.

Nomde · « **Reply #21 on:** September 06, 2004, 02:06:44 PM »

Citabra,
I've never seen any pictures like that, do you have any photo's or reference material? Thx....

nopoop · « **Reply #22 on:** September 06, 2004, 02:09:56 PM »

Nomde your worrying over nothing.

This IS a swastika flag at 100% on Camerons fuse skin itself

But it isn't. You can't make out the "swastika" it's a blur of pixels. Fogitabotit.

A swastika that can actually be seen is a totally different story. You'll fiddle for hours and you'll be the only one that knows it's not a swastika. Everyone else will assume it is

Guppy35 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 08, 2004, 11:06:17 PM »

Nomde, for what it's worth.

I stopped off at the bookstore after work and was looking at the latest "Flypast" magazine.

In it was a photo of Gabby in the cockpit of that Jug. The photo was from the front left side looking back.

Two things jumped out. First was the photo was from a time after the upper fuselage and wing stripes were painted out. Might be a thought since the Schilling "Hairless Joe" Jug and the "Stalag Luft III D-11 are from that time frame.

Second was the black of the fuselage invasion stripes was clearly there, not just OD between the white stripes. There was absolutely no doubt that it was black between the white.

As the magazine wasn't worth the cost, I didn't buy it just to post the photo

Dan/Slack

Cobra412 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2004, 11:59:59 PM »

Guppy when doing The Flying Undertaker I was a bit leary about that too. Considering the only photo I can find shows no yellow bands on the fuselage and you also can't tell about the wings.

I emaild HTC about it saying I would change it considering the only original photo I can find doesn't have them. I also noticed that his spinner may be white and not yellow. If you have any photos that may clear this up it would be greatly appreciated.

BTW that skin looks great. I really need to learn the ins and outs of this skinning thing.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 09, 2004, 12:41:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412
Guppy when doing The Flying Undertaker I was a bit leary about that too. Considering the only photo I can find shows no yellow bands on the fuselage and you also can't tell about the wings.

I emaild HTC about it saying I would change it considering the only original photo I can find doesn't have them. I also noticed that his spinner may be white and not yellow. If you have any photos that may clear this up it would be greatly appreciated.

BTW that skin looks great. I really need to learn the ins and outs of this skinning thing.

Cobra, they talk about the markings on the Flying Undertaker fairly extensively in the Osprey book "Mustang and Thunderbolt Aces of the Pacific and CBI"

It is now believed that what people thought was yellow outlines to the black fuselage bands was overspray on tape residue from the markings.

Photos in the book also show the wing bands that are just black.

Profile is from that book and I believe it is accurate.

Dan/Slack

Cobra412 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 09, 2004, 12:51:22 AM »

Well I guess I'll have to make a change to my skin. I want it to be accurate. I used a few mustang books for my research and what i could find on the net about it. I guess I should have known better considering two of the books were by the same author.

The one that made me skeptical was "P-51 Mustang Nose Art Gallery" by John M. and Donna Campbell. On page 11 they have a black and white photo of the Undertaker that clearly shows some kind of bands atleast on the fuselage markings. This photo is the exact same one I have in color. The color one you can't see this though. I figured it was due to the sun reflecting off the skin. The wings though don't show any signs of yellow bands.

glenmorangie · « **Reply #27 on:** September 09, 2004, 07:43:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35

Dan/Slack

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Originally posted by nopoop

On the stripes... Carfully note the first photo, where the black stripes are clearly visible on the underside of the fueslage. You can't see the upper stripes.

In the second photo, the lower fuselage is not visible. It was common on P-51s to paint over the upper surface stripes and leave the lower part intact. My guess is the top black was painted out, but not the lower. Is there a picture out there from the side?

And...The pictures might have been taken at different times...

Guppy35 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 09, 2004, 01:27:38 PM »

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Originally posted by glenmorangie
On the stripes... Carfully note the first photo, where the black stripes are clearly visible on the underside of the fueslage. You can't see the upper stripes.

In the second photo, the lower fuselage is not visible. It was common on P-51s to paint over the upper surface stripes and leave the lower part intact. My guess is the top black was painted out, but not the lower. Is there a picture out there from the side?

And...The pictures might have been taken at different times...

No doubt on the images being taken at different times. Invasion stripes were taken off or painted over on the upper surfaces after a month, which puts the one image taken between July 6 and July 20 when Gabby went down, with the other photos with full invasion stripes from June 6-July 6 time frame.

So the question becomes, did the outlined white stripes exist only on top of he fuselage as has been suggested? Were those photos taken during the painting of invasion stripes and the black hadn't been painted and what we see is the masking for the white? Did it have just white on top and both black and white lower bands, and if so why did they do it that way when everyone else had complete black and white? etc etc

Dan/Slack

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #29 on:** September 09, 2004, 02:52:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Nomde
Ok,
I just talked with Dale at HT Creations and he says no swastika period.

Hmmm... I'm thinking of putting the Black crosses on for the kill markings. What do y'all think of a red background and the black cross in the center? I'll do a quick rendition and post it.....

How's this??

Chalk another one up for the Politically Correct crowd...