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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2004, 01:25:14 PM »
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Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Go here  for the source so you can educate yourself a little.


It doesn't apply when it's a valid comparison even if mild exaggeration is used.

I.E. "We only fly Rook P-51Ds. Period. The ENY lockdown system is unfair!" As compared to "We only fly (fill in the side, though it doesn't matter) Me-262s. Period! The perk cost system is unfair!"

Same reasoning works for both. Both squadrons shoot themselves in the foot because they're too stubborn to play the game by the rules and want the game modified to cater to their specific desires.

Your assertion was, and I quote (with a small edit of the typo I took advantage of):

"Although this may be true, if a squad was buil(t) around the idea of flying ponies and that same squad wants to fly for Rook (or Bishop or Knight) exclusively, then the ENY thing hoses them up. I don't (b)lame anyone for being ticked over this."

I do. They're being unrealistic and stubborn. They need to learn not to be.

p.s. Someone once made me go look up and cut and paste the definition of "straw man argument" on these forums, too. I learned something new and applied it.


p.s. MY squadron is an historically based squadron dedicated to flying the F4U Corsair (primarily the -1 but all makes and models from time to time). IF we were a ponyhead squad, and yes - I'm speaking for my squad out of assumption, based on knowing these guys for a long time - we would fly both and if both were disabled we would switch as a unit. IF we were a dirty ape squad we would switch as a unit and campaign for an earlier version of the dirty ape. We adapt and overcome as long as things are reasonable. The actual main conflict we have in this discussion is what is and what isn't reasonable.

I've been a reasonable man since I was still a boy. Heh. But I do love a good argument.

Someday I'll get one. (hehe - j/k) ;)

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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2004, 01:26:38 PM »
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Ya know Arlo I have listened to your crap enough!  


1: Get over me.

2: Get over yourself.

3: Get over ENY disablement.

4: Don't worry ... be happy.

:D

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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2004, 01:33:22 PM »
There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunligh
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(and they’re quite convinced they’re right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can’t help their feelings
If they like the way they’re made
And they wonder why the maples
Can’t be happy in their shade?

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream `oppression!`
And the oaks, just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
’the oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light’
Now there’s no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Axe,
And saw ...
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2004, 01:45:49 PM »
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Originally posted by dracon
You sir, are adding nothing to these threads but irratation.
you sir are not being reasonable, because you don't want to compromise.  but yet you whine and kick and scream because you are unwilling to compromise?  that is being completely unreasonable.  HOT DAMN I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW AH ISN'T REAL LIFE DID YA?!?!!?!?!  there you go.  go compromise and fly your B stang.  "But wait it isn't historical!!!"  CT not the MA.
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2004, 01:46:39 PM »
I want a feast
I want a bean feast

Cream buns and doughnuts and fruitcake with no nuts so good you could go nuts.

No, now!

I want a ball
I want a party

Pink macaroons and a million balloons and performing baboons and

Give it to me now.

I want the world,
I want the whole world.

I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It's my bar of chocolate

Give it to me now!

I want today
I want tomorrow

I want to wear them like braids in my hair AND I DON'T WANT TO SHARE THEM! .....

I want a party with roomfuls of laughter
Ten thousand ton of ice cream

And if I don't get the things I am after
I'm ... going ... to ... scream!

I want the works,
I want the whole works!

Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises in all shapes and sizes,
And now!

Don't care how I want it now!

Don't care how I want it nooooooooooooooooooooow!

*honk*

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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2004, 01:49:59 PM »
Dead I am the one, exterminating son
Slipping through the trees, strangling the breeze
Dead I am the sky, watching angels cry
While they slowly turn, conquering the worm

Dig through the ditches,
Burn through the witches
I slam in the back of my
Dragula


** honk honk**


btw skull made my iggie list ...
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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2004, 02:00:38 PM »
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do
I have another puzzle for you
Oompa Loompa doom-pa-da-dee
If you are wise, you'll listen to me
Who do you blame when your kid is a brat?
Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat
Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame
You know exactly who's to blame

The mother and the father

Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-da
If you're not spoiled, then you will go far
You will live in happiness too
Like the Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do

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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2004, 02:03:37 PM »
A modern-day warrior
Mean mean stride,
Today’s tom sawyer
Mean mean pride.

Though his mind is not for rent,
Don’t put him down as arrogant.
His reserve, a quiet defense,
Riding out the day’s events.
The river

And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society.
Catch the mist, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the drift.

The world is, the world is,
Love and life are deep,
Maybe as his eyes are wide.

Today’s tom sawyer,
He gets high on you,
And the space he invades
He gets by on you.

No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes aren’t permanent,
But change is.

And what you say about his company
Is what you say about society.
Catch the witness, catch the wit,
Catch the spirit, catch the spit.

The world is, the world is,
Love and life are deep,
Maybe as his skies are wide.

Exit the warrior,
Today’s tom sawyer,
He gets high on you,
And the energy you trade,
He gets right on to the friction of the day.


:D
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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2004, 02:10:46 PM »
There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining?  Is it snowing?  Is a hurricane a'blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a'glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes!
The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2004, 02:17:45 PM »
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly.
I’m crying.

Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody tuesday.
Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.

Mister city policeman sitting
Pretty little policemen in a row.
See how they fly like lucy in the sky, see how they run.
I’m crying, I’m crying.
I’m crying, I’m crying.

Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog’s eye.
Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess,
Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.

Sitting in an english garden waiting for the sun.
If the sun don’t come, you get a tan
From standing in the english rain.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.

Expert textpert choking smokers,
Don’t you thing the joker laughs at you?
See how they smile like pigs in a sty,
See how they snied.
I’m crying.

Semolina pilchard, climbing up the eiffel tower.
Elementary penguin singing hari krishna.
Man, you should have seen them kicking edgar allan poe.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob.
Goo goo g’joob g’goo goo g’joob g’goo.

:D   (hey Arlo ya zink we'll get in trouble if we keep this up ) :p
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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2004, 02:24:48 PM »
Hold your breath.
Make a wish.
Count to three.

Come with me and you'll be in a world of pure imagination
Take a look and you'll see into your imagination.
We'll begin with a spin traveling in the world of my creation.
What we'll see will defy explanation.

If you want to view paradise  
Simply look around and view it.
Anything you want to do it.
Want to change the world?
There's nothing to it.

There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination.
Living there you'll be free if you truly wish to be.

If you want to view paradise
Simply look around and view it.
Anything you want to, do it.
Want to change the world?
There's nothing to it.

There is no life I know to compare with pure imagination.
Living there you'll be free if you truly wish to be.


Undoubtedly, Ros. :D

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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2004, 02:30:41 PM »
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods
Will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying:
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
>from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green,
Can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war.
We are your overlords.
On we sweep with threshing oar,
Our only goal will be the western shore.
So now you’d better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day
Despite of all your losing.

(Bring on the Viking kittens) :D
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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2004, 02:35:21 PM »
I never thought my life could be anything but catastrophe
But suddenly I begin to see a bit of good luck for me
Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden twinkle in my eye
I never had a chance to shine never a happy song to sing,
But suddenly half the world is mine what an amazing thing
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
It's ours Charlie!
I've got a golden sun up in the sky.

I never thought I'd see the day when I would face the world and say,
"Good morning. Look at the sun."
I never thought that I would be slap in the lap of luxury
Cause I have said it couldn't be done
But it can be done.

I never dreamed that I would climb over the moon in ecstasy,
But nevertheless it's there that I'm shortly about to be
Cause I've got a golden ticket
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with the golden ticket it's a golden day.

Good morning! Look at the sun!
Cause I have said, "It couldn't be done"
But it can be done.

I never dreamed that I would climb over the moon in ecstasy,
But nevertheless it's there that I'm shortly about to be
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
Cause I've got a golden ticket.
I've got a golden chance to make my way
And with a golden ticket it's a golden day.


Listen, bud .... there's only so many Willy Wonka lyrics. Don't make me go "Monty Python" on your arse. ;)

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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2004, 02:38:31 PM »
lmao ...

if you do i'll have to go Mel Brooks on your's :D
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« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2004, 03:23:18 PM »
Arlo,

 It seems that the only reason you are in this discussion is to be
argumentative to one & all who are posting here.

 Why don't you go join your local debating team & leave this to people who are actually trying to come up with a solution to the problem?
Lets keep the stupid to a minimum.
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