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[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by Arlo
If you're too stubborn to try it, it sure ain't. Just sayin'.

p.s. I've done it ... with a whole squad. It works.

Its not a matter of what I want.. we all have to agree and good luck explaining all of the above to 30 odd guys as a good reason to switch.  Like I said it's pointless since the values change so frequently.  Basically, every once in a while, for reasons beyond your control , not only will you get almost no perks for flying but you will be denied a number of the most popular planes.  why?  well.. just because....  now.. if it was based on a longer term avg then you would have a better argument but I have seen the numbers swing dramatically within minutes.. for that matter such swings happen dozens of times per day.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Its not a matter of what I want.. we all have to agree and good luck explaining all of the above to 30 odd guys as a good reason to switch.  Like I said it's pointless since the values change so frequently.  Basically, every once in a while, for reasons beyond your control , not only will you get almost no perks for flying but you will be denied a number of the most popular planes.  why?  well.. just because....  now.. if it was based on a longer term avg then you would have a better argument but I have seen the numbers swing dramatically within minutes.. for that matter such swings happen dozens of times per day.

It's precisely a matter of what you want and don't want. You want to fly rook and you don't want to sacrifice anything for staying rook when rooks have numbers. You don't want to switch because it takes effort (even if the amount of effort it takes isn't nearly as exaggerated as you make it out to be).

Beyond your control? It's entirely in your control. And if the situation changes as frequently as you claim then it's just a matter of flying a slightly less uber plane for a sortie and it isn't really the disaster you make it out to be. Less perks for flying was already part of the system.

Now .... your argument involves you as an individual and your squad as a group either being unwilling or unable to adapt your ways to the change. I even made concession that HT might need to consider allowing unlimited side switching. A simple and small compromise but a compromise none-the-less. From your end I see more of an "all or nothing get rid of it before we all quit" attitude.

I don't see that as a valid argument at all. If you actually tried it and stopped looking for excuses not to, I'd probably take you more seriously here. Do it ... by yourself ...  on a non-squad night. It won't ruin you for life. If your squad fires you for it, then you'll probably find a better one.

[rabbidrabbit]

we simply are here for different reasons.  There are some who think the way you do about this but there are many more who fly like I do.. to have a good time with friends. Those friends do not all belong to my squad.  If those friends don't want to do something then I won't.  I put my friends before perks and they are the same way.  The point is that this system fails to consider loyalties as well as simple queing theory.  The Standard Deviation of the player set is too large for this type of solution.  If there was a longer term average being applied to the calculation it would be much more effective.  Now, its just random penalties for issues beyond ones control.  Your idea about unlimited switching is just a open door to spying.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
we simply are here for different reasons.  There are some who think the way you do about this but there are many more who fly like I do.. to have a good time with friends. Those friends do not all belong to my squad.  If those friends don't want to do something then I won't.  I put my friends before perks and they are the same way.  The point is that this system fails to consider loyalties as well as simple queing theory.  The Standard Deviation of the player set is too large for this type of solution.  If there was a longer term average being applied to the calculation it would be much more effective.  Now, its just random penalties for issues beyond ones control.  Your idea about unlimited switching is just a open door to spying.

Open door for spying? Pfffft .... get real. I guarantee you spying works equally as well under any system. As long as players can communicate (either through the game via tuning directly to a squadmate or through third party software such as teamspeak) there will be players checking out what the other side is doing and reporting it to friends and squadies. And I further guarantee you that such players aren't nearly as inhibited over a mere 12 hour moratorium as you are. Especially if they can simply switch sides before logging off and come back and do a bit of "spying for their country" before the squad shows up for hordeops or whatever.

Furthermore .... there's always three or four times as much unfounded suspician about spying than there is actual spying going on. Every other goon that's been shot down while "skillfully sneaking in" has been shot down by a "spy" or had their position reported by one. Funny how the same goon driver that suspects spies will still broadcast his position on his country channel every other minute the next time he ups, though (heh).

So unlimited side changes isn't a disaster, either.

As far as what you find most fun about playing AH versus mine, I've got friends on all three sides. Then again, I've always been able to make friends anywhere I go. Some of them think of me as an enemy, though. It's a gift, what can I say? Heh.

Question .... if you decided you didn't want to horde one day and would rather fight as the underdog .... or, maybe as a more selfish motivation (don't worry, I know you're 100% selfless and all - but we all have the urge from time to time) you wanted to fly a particular ride but the rook dealership was temporarily out to lunch, would your "close friends" want to do what you wanted to do? Mine would. Then again, mine would probably want to anyway.

The system neither fosters nor inhibits true loyalty or friendship. You and your friends do. And yes, I do see a difference in how we view that.

[JoeBWan17]

Originally posted by Arlo
Open door for spying? Pfffft .... get real. I guarantee you spying works equally as well under any system. As long as players can communicate (either through the game via tuning directly to a squadmate or through third party software such as teamspeak) there will be players checking out what the other side is doing and reporting it to friends and squadies. And I further guarantee you that such players aren't nearly as inhibited over a mere 12 hour moratorium as you are. Especially if they can simply switch sides before logging off and come back and do a bit of "spying for their country" before the squad shows up for hordeops or whatever.

Furthermore .... there's always three or four times as much unfounded suspician about spying than there is actual spying going on. Every other goon that's been shot down while "skillfully sneaking in" has been shot down by a "spy" or had their position reported by one. Funny how the same goon driver that suspects spies will still broadcast his position on his country channel every other minute the next time he ups, though (heh).

So unlimited side changes isn't a disaster, either.

From reading HTs earlier post his worry was more of a situation like the following:

Imagine I was very low ranked player on the side with the least players (quite a stretch I realize *Smile*).  I could easily switch to whichever higher numbered side I want (because its been 12 hours or whatever) control and beach their CV, and then change back to my original team whenever convienant (because they have the low numbers).  This potentially could stop what was a perfectly good CV to land battle.

Not so much spying as taking advantage of being able to switch to the lowered number side at any time.  Of course you can imagine some code put in to prevent you from switch from low numbered side, to high, and then back again.

[2shad4u]

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[Arlo]

Originally posted by JoeBWan17
From reading HTs earlier post his worry was more of a situation like the following:

Imagine I was very low ranked player on the side with the least players (quite a stretch I realize *Smile*).  I could easily switch to whichever higher numbered side I want (because its been 12 hours or whatever) control and beach their CV, and then change back to my original team whenever convienant (because they have the low numbers).  This potentially could stop what was a perfectly good CV to land battle.

Not so much spying as taking advantage of being able to switch to the lowered number side at any time.  Of course you can imagine some code put in to prevent you from switch from low numbered side, to high, and then back again.

One-way switch coding from high to low with that being the only actual limitation sounds like just the ticket, Joe.

But I still don't think the percentage of saboteurs or spies in the MA warrants undue concern that unlimited switching would cause anymore mass chaos than normally exists there at any given minute.

[2shad4u]

yeah unlimited switching would be insane, if that were case cv might as well be removed from game

[JoeBWan17]

Originally posted by Arlo

But I still don't think the percentage of saboteurs or spies in the MA warrants undue concern that unlimited switching would cause anymore mass chaos than normally exists there at any given minute.

Agreed!