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Offline Furball

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« on: September 07, 2004, 03:54:53 PM »
please remove its shrouds HT, pretty please?
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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 04:14:41 PM »
I unleashed it last night when our eny was pegged. I loved it - flew it for 2 hours and Shawk had to point out in his Ohio redneck drawl :) "Wolf, what are u still doin flyin the Mossie?" Well the eny was peg'd.... "Son, ENY's been turned off for over an hour..." Time flies when yr raising hell - 3 Spits, a Yak, 190 A5 and a LA7. Fights like a 38 if you are cautious with it.



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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 04:57:00 PM »
I'd dearly love to see a Mossie without the flame dampers, but sadly I'm not sure the data is there for it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 06:00:47 PM »
I love the mossie!:)
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2004, 06:25:29 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 11:10:28 AM »
I flew the mossie a lot during the beta. It's gorgeous.

The nasty spin and deep stall it can enter is strange - don't fix it! add it to all the other planes instead, the are too easy to fly and nobody fears the stall :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2004, 06:45:43 AM »
yep  get  rid  of  the  exhaust  shrouds  or flame dampers  what ever  you  want  to call them  and  mossie  will  have  a new  lease of  life.
we  all know  it  was  almost  unstoppable  in low  level  attack  missions  i europe  oftern  being  faster  then anything  the  germans  had  close.
    but  if  you  unleash  it  youl  perk  it!!!!
and  the  whines  will be  even  louder  

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Offline mechanic

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2004, 06:52:27 AM »
you can do it HT, unleash the frikken mossie.

YOU CAN DO IT!

PS: mossie is beauty personified.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2004, 08:01:23 AM »
those teeth striking out horizontal thru the lips, very sexy.
not to mention the large steep forehead.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2004, 08:21:00 AM »
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Originally posted by rogerdee
we  all know  it  was  almost  unstoppable  in low  level  attack  missions  i europe  oftern  being  faster  then anything  the  germans  had  close.


The FB marks were not that fast. The stories you hear about Mossies outrunning LW fighters are for the most part bomber and recon marks.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2004, 09:15:07 AM »
Hard to hard data, as far as I know, the armed Mossie was not faster than the interceptors the LW had at the time.
There were however some factors that may have helped it successfully "outrunning" the enemy. Would be nice to know some more about it. Ok, a theory:

1. Mossies radar signal was quite weak.
2. Cruising Speed was quite high
3. At 25K or so, it was about just as fast as the LW fighters.
4. Raid missions often were exited from on the deck at very high speeds.
5. Mossies could fight back. Try intercepting a squad of mossies from below, while beliving they are, say a squad of Bostons.
So, not knowing what is being intercepted, mossies need to be approached with some respect.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2004, 10:19:08 AM »
Angus, you too are treating the Mossie as "one plane", it wasn't, and the FB mark (that we have in AH) was an armed version optimized for low level attacks. At 25K it can't even outrun a 109F-4. The fast Mossies were the unarmed bomber and recon marks, and the night fighter version was faster than all but the last LW night fighters of the war. The fighter-bomber Mossie is comparably slow.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2004, 10:43:28 AM »
A list of all Mosquitos and their fates

http://www.dehavilland.ukf.net/_DH98%20prodn%20list.txt

For some reading on the Mosquito as well as other a/c

http://www.vectorsite.net/sitemap.html

Another Mosquito site with data

http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bfillery/index.html
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2004, 10:53:13 AM »
In 1943 a Mosquito FB.Mk VI without the flame dampers would flat out run away from any Bf109 and most Fw190s.  Certainly the Bf109G-6 and Fw190A-5 could not catch one in a tail chase.

In 1944 things are quite different.  The Bf109G-6 with MW50, Bf109G-14, Bf109G-10, Bf109K-4, Fw190A-8, Fw190A-9, Fw190D-9, ect would all be able to run one down.

I am not sure where the Fw190A-6 stands.


So you cannot categoreically say that the Mossie FB.VI could or could not run.  You must give the context of the year.

As to fighting back, I am aware of the results of one Fw190 squad vs Mosquito FB.VI squad combat.  Four Mossies were shot down and two Fw190s were shot down.


Removing the dampers would raise the survivability of the Mossie in AH as any additional speed helps, but there are still many fighters that could run one down and those fighters tend to be the most popular.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2004, 11:12:16 AM »
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So you cannot categoreically say that the Mossie FB.VI could or could not run. You must give the context of the year.


Altitude as well

Tests of an FB VI gave speeds at sea level as 354 mph with 150 octane fuel, 332 mph on 100 octane fuel.

Those figures are with ducted exhausts (which the report notes reduce speed by 13 to 15 mph at 9lbs boost), and carrying drop tanks.
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