Author Topic: On Global warming... (Read 532 times)

Ripsnort · « **on:** September 08, 2004, 08:27:48 AM »

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1540&e=3&u=/afp/climate_polar_europe

North Pole once had sub-tropical seas because of global warming...

""This is convincing proof that global warming has a planetary-wide effect, having a major impact on locations even as distant as the North Pole."

As for what have caused the big warming during this period, two theories are being aired, both based on the greenhouse principle in which gases were released into the atmosphere, trapping the Sun's heat.

So, Global warming IS INDEED a naturally occuring event.
Thank you, that is all.

boxboy28 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:32:56 AM »

old news ripster ....

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:34:12 AM »

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Originally posted by boxboy28
old news ripster ....

Tue Sep 7, 1:15 PM ET

Yep, yesterday...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:35:04 AM »

I dont think anybody ever argued global warming was not a potential naturally accuring event.

The discussion is whether human activity is causing it or accelerating now.

Personally I think current human activity is a good part of the problem.

But global warming or not I think that WE ALL need to find ways to reduce emmisions and pollution and do it now before china, india and someday africa grow wealthier and pollute even more than they do now. The record of disasterous envioronmental practices in fast growing economies is atrocious. And in the next decade the economies of more than 1/3 of the world's population are about to grow awfully fast...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:44:05 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I dont think anybody ever argued global warming was not a potential naturally accuring event.

The discussion is whether human activity is causing it or accelerating now.

Personally I think current human activity is a good part of the problem.

But global warming or not I think that WE ALL need to find ways to reduce emmisions and pollution and do it now before china, india and someday africa grow wealthier and pollute even more than they do now. The record of disasterous envioronmental practices in fast growing economies is atrocious. And in the next decade the economies of more than 1/3 of the world's population are about to grow awfully fast...

We, as a culture, are REALLY ARROGANT to think that we could cause global warming...we certainly contribute, but not at the scale that the earth naturally does.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:49:04 AM »

Well thats the discussion Rip...

Now 6 billion. Soon 9... And by that time those 9 billion will be a lot more wealthy than the average of today.. That means more cars, more factories, more polutants..

Like I said global warming or not, fast growing economies have a clear historic record of disasterous environemtal polcies. Right now more than 1/3 of the worlds population (China/Inda) are entering just that stage. Considering the currewnt attitudes of those nations aboiut cleanliness I'm pretty afraid what they will do during their hyper growth...

I'd rather we preempt the problem...

boxboy28 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2004, 08:52:26 AM »

Rip all i was saying is that scientist have stated the fact the yes global warming has happend several times in the past due to green house gases emitted by the earth it self ...i.e. volcanos, natrual gas etc .....

straffo · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:00:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We, as a culture, are REALLY ARROGANT to think that we could cause global warming...we certainly contribute, but not at the scale that the earth naturally does.

Rip explain me why you accept a preemptive war but not the same attitude for earth ?

Don't forget : eath is not a gift from our parent ,it's our children who lend it to us.
(La terre n'est pas un don de nos parents ce sont nos enfants qui nous la prêtent)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:05:35 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Rip explain me why you accept a preemptive war but not the same attitude for earth ?

Don't forget : eath is not a gift from our parent ,it's our children who lend it to us.
(La terre n'est pas un don de nos parents ce sont nos enfants qui nous la prêtent)

Preemptive war will prevent pre-emptive nuclear blasts, which are worse.

Now end the hi-jack.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:06:59 AM »

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Originally posted by boxboy28
Rip all i was saying is that scientist have stated the fact the yes global warming has happend several times in the past due to green house gases emitted by the earth it self ...i.e. volcanos, natrual gas etc .....

But none of it was as convincing proof as this spot of news, thus the post.

JimBear · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:24:15 AM »

Hmmm, maybe pre-emptive nuclear blasts to cure global warming with a touch of nuclear winter?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:27:14 AM »

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Originally posted by JimBear
Hmmm, maybe pre-emptive nuclear blasts to cure global warming with a touch of nuclear winter?

Thrawn · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:24:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
We, as a culture, are REALLY ARROGANT to think that we could cause global warming

Something is deemed arrogant, therefore it hasn't been done?

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...we certainly contribute, but not at the scale that the earth naturally does.

So. The planet naturally produces 100 units of greenhouse gases in a year.

The planet naturally reuptakes 100 units of greenhouse gases in a year.

Humans produces 10 extra units of greenhouse gases in a year.

We are contributing, and not at the scale the earth naturally does, but the amount of greenhouse gases that are in the atmosphere increases.

vorticon · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:33:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Preemptive war will prevent pre-emptive nuclear blasts, which are worse.

Now end the hi-jack.

while preemptive earth saving will stop our grand children from preemptivly living underdround and worrying about capture by the enviroment police, who under there evil dictator leader, running a "perfect" communist economy, kill anyone who so much as increases the carbon dioxide amount by breathing more than the set number of times per minute - adapted from a really bad old sf radio play about the future after nuclear war, and keeping the human genome perfect.

cpxxx · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:40:59 PM »

Grunherz and Ripsnort. I completely agree with you. Yes this is a first.
It is incredibly arrogant for people to belive that we caused global warming assuming it is actually happening. Classic examples were an environmentalist claiming the two recent hurricanes were caused by global warming. Other examples are when people living on flood plains get flooded. Doh!

But it is fair to say emissions need to be reduced. That can't be a bad thing.

Sooner or later global warming will go the way of the hole in the ozone layer. Whatever happened to that end of world scare?