On Global warming...

[vorticon]

It is incredibly arrogant for people to belive that we caused global warming assuming it is actually happening.

oh its definatly happening, as to whether or not we made it happen, there is a fair amount of evidence that were helping it along.


it probably wont last though, all that extra water going about will negate the effects.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Preemptive war will prevent pre-emptive nuclear blasts, which are worse.

Now end the hi-jack.

Vat youve found VMD in Iraq ?
wow !

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
So, Global warming IS INDEED a naturally occuring event.
Thank you, that is all.

No... Global warming CAN BE a naturally occuring event. This doesn't necessarily mean that humans cannot affect the climate.

[Samiam]

Emissions from cars and fossile fuel burning factories is much more acutely a local health and aesthetic issue rather than a global warming issue.

And Grunherz is on the right trail: If China's economy continues to take off and they start buying cars and driving them like North Americans, global warming will be the least of our concerns as we long for the good old days when gas was $2.50 a gallon and the Saudi's gave a rats prettythang about the U.S.

[midnight Target]

You are tripping all over yourself on this one Rip.

Strong winds are a naturally occurring event, so wind tunnels are impossible.

doh!

[Lizking]

If China would trade in all the wood and coal they burn for heating and eating, they could Damn sure drive cars for a net reduction in pollution.  Same for other under-developed countries.  Do not confuse energy use with pollution; they are not on a linked linear curve.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Lizking
If China would trade in all the wood and coal they burn for heating and eating, they could Damn sure drive cars for a net reduction in pollution.  Same for other under-developed countries.  Do not confuse energy use with pollution; they are not on a linked linear curve.

Just wait till China's economy really grows, If they arent careful it could turn out to be one of the worlds greatest environmental disasters..

Still I really really wish I could speak Manadrin, cuz there is tons of money to be made in china very soon.

[Lizking]

It is already an ecological disaster, with only the USSR doing worse environmental damage.  **** Koyoto, make those *******s clean their **** up to US standards, then let's talk.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yes, thats exactly what makes me worry, it will only get worse with hyper growth..

As for Kyoto, well nobody is taking that seriously...

[Samiam]

I think some of you are missing the point on China. If they start driving like us (in the US), the environment and global warming will be insignificant compared to what will happen to gas prices and the balance of power in the middle east when the US market no longer carries all the weight. Saudi's need our money. Lord help us when they don't.

[SLO]

Originally posted by Lizking
It is already an ecological disaster, with only the USSR doing worse environmental damage.  **** Koyoto, make those *******s clean their **** up to US standards, then let's talk.

sorry but the U.S. didn't agree to participate in the reduction of polution in the Kiyoto Accord.....


and Rip, nice try, would you like me to find the reverse of that scientific assumption.....

Agent Smith said it best in The Matrix.

We invade the land, consume all its natural resources and move on to the next location, only a virus can be compared to us.

[GRUNHERZ]

Kyoto was a bad deal for any major western economy, only an idiot government would actually put it into effect.  And so far I'm not sure if anyone has.  It gave too much of a free pass to the deverloping world. I doubt they took into effect how quickly those econimies would grow; a fact that doesent surprise me one bit considering the whole joke treaty was written up by a bunch of ignorant commie socialist euro UN bureocrat types who know nothing about how economies work.

Thankfully nobody gives a damn any more...

[Lizking]

No SLO, because they wanted to limit our Energy use, Versus actual pollution of the rest of the "developing" world.  That is my point.

Energy use does NOT equal pollution, but that was the underlying assumption of Koyoto (and most guilt-ridden liberals).

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Sooner or later global warming will go the way of the hole in the ozone layer. Whatever happened to that end of world scare?

Whatever happened to CFCs?

[Bluedog]

Saw a documentary a few weeks back where they were studying ice samples taken from the Antarctic, something like 3 km down.
Apparently by thawing the ice, and analising the gasses released, they can get an accurate picture of the makeup of the Earth's atmospheric gasses from thousands of years ago.

To cut a long story short, all the evidence seems to point to the fact that global warming is a naturally occuring phenomenom and that we are actually in a period of unusual stability.
It has happened before, many times, and a lot of those times were far more extreme than the current situation.


Yeah, I know, my spelling sux.