perks

[KaK3]

Lax, i salute your creativity, I am TOTALLY against perk points, it promotes elitism, and diminishes what little camaraderie there is in AH. I believe perk planes should be available to everyone evenly, but limit the number of planes you can have daily ie, two me 262's  etc..you lose those two  you get no more. The better pilots will have the planes longer and be more effective, and everyone plays on same ball field, by same rules. You cannot expect someone who flies 3-5 hours/week to feel good about this system when guys that can spend 5 hours/day are always killing them with perk planes that they rarely if ever are allowed to fly. This system sucks. we pay the same $30/..give everyone the same product

[PakRat]

You guys miss the fact that on average, the people on 24 hours a day will fly perk planes the same precentage of time as those who fly only a couple of hours a week. They will have to fly the same X hours of time to earn a perk ride as as anyone else assuming equivalent perk point accumulation proficiency. They will just fly (and lose) perk planes more often.

Your argument is pure BS.

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[-towd_]

jesus dude jump his butt will ya sheesh.

sounds like a cool idea to me but htc only uses their ideas as far as i can see. any here get ignored or flamed by chearleaders .

[SOB]

Pure, 100% classic Towd.    Do you think before you type, or do ya just let it fly?  I think I already know the answer to this one.


SOB

[PakRat]

Towd - all I did was point out the flaw in his and most everyone else's argument about how people who fly a lot will always get the perk rides.

That is total BS. They won't always get the perk rides. They will get them just as frequently per hour played as everyone else and will have to endure even more hours in the lowly "stock" rides.

Telling him that his argument is BS is jumping his butt? Yeah, right.

Am I a cheerleader? Not in the least. I think the perk system is a good idea, however, and that it is also a good idea to wait and see how it actually works out before squeaking as hot and heavy as so many are want to do.

Everyone who squeakes about the perk system is doing so blind. You don't know how much the rides will cost so you don't have a clue how much it will affect the sim. You complain that people flying a lot will always be in perk rides and that is just plain incorrect. They will spend more time in one that others who fly less but they will also spend more time in the stock planes than those who fly less. On average, the percentages will be identical.

But I guess basic math and reason are beyond most of the whiners here.

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[bertie]

 

Originally posted by PakRat:
You guys miss the fact that on average, the people on 24 hours a day will fly perk planes the same precentage of time as those who fly only a couple of hours a week.

Think you may be a tad off there PR.  Remember that guys that fly 24/7 will be better than the others who only fly occasionally as they have practiced more.  Thus the system will be more favourable to those whose life is flying AH.  May not be much of a difference in %age but it is still a difference...  My vote is to give people a limited number of rides then buy more with perk points...  Otherwise the people who can fly them more will learn them better and thus keep them longer (see the cycle here?).

(And the argument "just get better then" will not work as everything in here is a matter of practice make perfect)

My $0.02

[PakRat]

Bertie - so if a player that flys more is a better pilot, you say penalize them? First that isn't necessarily true.

So someone who is a better pilot gets more points? The percentages get slightly skewed then. So freaking what?

Until we know how much things cost we have no idea how the equation plays out - except that maybe some good pilots will get more opportunities in perk planes.

Kak's argument is still wrong and your's is just whining.

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[KaK3]

pakrat, if you cant keep your replies civil..dont bother, we arnt interested.
someone who flies one hour /day wont accumulate the experience to attain perk rides on a regular basis as someone who spends 5 hours a day. Dont bother trying to argue that point, it is ingnorant to do so.
I'm not saying penalize better flyers, im saying better flyers will have perk planes more often anyway, as they wont lose them, lousy flyers will have their perk plane, crash and burn, and  then fly something else. But at least they will have a chance the same as ANY OTHER  player.

[KaK3]

BErtie, i agree with you, let everyone at least have limited number of perk planes per day  to start, at least, then with extra points, flyers can  get extra perk planes if they lose their daily allotment

[Loyalist]

What about having so many perk planes in the air at one time per team?

[Torgo]

People seem to be forgetting that to get perk rides quickly you have to be in inferior AC.... (leaving aside the whole factory-perk-raping for fighter points issue which is currently the most efficient way to get perks..and requires no air-to-air skill at all.)

So, for an elite air-to-air pilot to have a perk plane as often as possible, he's going to have to tool around the VAST MAJORITY of his time in a Macchi or an early-model 109, etc. etc.

Thus, the perk system will likely mean that great pilots who fly a lot will be LESS DANGEROUS,  MOST of the time, to mediocre pilots who don't fly much, not more dangerous.

[PakRat]

Are you guys really that lame that you don't want planes like the Arado because someone might get to fly it more often than you?

Someone who rarely flys is a target no matter how you slice it. If you are just out for a Sunday flight, may I suggest Microsoft Flight Simulator or one of the boxed sims. But to try to hold everyone back because you are incompetent is a joke.

As far as I can tell you guys are just whining - more and more and more - and you are sounding a lot like the far left liberals who want everything handed to them instead of working for it. Didn't earn it? No matter. The Govm't gonna give it to you regardless of whether you deserve it or not.

Yeah - that's what I pay my money for - a watered down sim full of bedwetters and dragging diapers. Not.


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[Torgo]

Another thing..

I've not seen anything definative, but I BELIEVE you will get no perks at all for killing anything WITH a perk plane.

To hear the rabid anti-perkers talk, they make it sound like they envision great pilots who fly all the time getting perk planes and more and more perk points and thus more perk planes and will therefore be flying Tempests all of the time.

There are NEGATIVE feedbacks apparently built into the system....including not only the likely situation that kills in Tempests will get you no perks, but also the previously mentioned fact that it's far easier to rack up perks the less popular a plane is.

[Loyalist]

PakRat, breathe...in...out...in...out ...

No need to start comparing people to political systems, geez..

Everyone knows liberals are more intelligent anyways  

[KaK3]

I love it when people feel threatened when opinions differ from theirs.. it's so left fanatical/fascist/left wing.. whatever. Let's keep political ideologiy out of this, if  you are able .
I dont agree with perk, the way it sounds, is, those that arnt proficient will be penalized and pay for a product they dont have access to.
Set up a minumum number of perk planses for all flyers equally, and additional one to be added as perk points accumalate,or have a perk plane bank that  those that spend all day flying AH can bank more perk planes for future use, while those that fly  only minimally, will be able  to use the best product( plane) that AH can deliver, for however short a flight they take..
There can even be a Suqad bank, where perk planes can be shared among squad members..