perks

[Loyalist]

Personally, I like the idea of allowing so many perk planes in the air at one time per team.  You do not need to be qualified for them in any way other than being lucky enough to select it when there is one available to fly.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I'm totaly in favor of perk points. I think it is refreshing to have this in a flight sim. It gives something to shoot for to have your plane, and your flight intense as you will want to keep it.

I currently have only 600 fighter perk points, wich is very low compared to others, so please don't tell me that I like perk points because I can have any perk plane I want.

[PakRat]

You dweebs already have a perk plane that you can always fly - the F4UC.

You guys are just crybabies that want what you apparently don't deserve. If you had any hair, you'd learn to fly and fight and earn your perks like everyone else. Then you wouldn't be on this side of the fence needing some lame equalizer that you can't handle anyway.

And Kak, I'm not threatened by you or anyone else. I just don't like guys like trying to squeak the perk system to an abortion because you don't understand the good it can do.

The perk system will allow otherwise unbalancing planes to occasionally see action. No "jet day" but the ability to occasionally get your hands on a 262. Or an Arado. Or a Mosquito or whatever. This crap about the good flyers being the only ones who will benefit from perks is stupid. Everyone will.

So what if the good flyers EARN a nice ride a little more often? Try earning something yourself some day. And don't begrudge those who earn things for themselves. You want the pretty things - work for them.

One day it won't be your parents handing you everything. One day you might earn your own way.

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[This message has been edited by PakRat (edited 02-14-2001).]

[Hangtime]

 

One day it won't be your parents handing you everything. One day you might earn your own way.

Wow. Hadn't thought of that. What a novel concept...

Hmmmmmm.. perk points. AH's S&H green stamp system. If I don't want a perk ride, can I get a toaster instead?

Still don't understand what all the fuss is about.. none of the perk system will have the slightest effect on how many times a session I get killed. Will we get air-sea rescue in to us faster for perk point salvage? That would be nice.

Wonder if the Arado's avacado green finish will match my new perk toaster?

Inquiring minds don't need to know.  



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[Creamo]

heh, this is getting funny.

The original idea is two perks, such as ME 262's per player, per day.

Aces High Main Arena Debrief
4/17/01:

9:00am:Kak3 wheels up at 9:00am , ME 262

9:16am:Kak3 reports single dot, coalt.

9:17am: Hblair kills Kak3, with ME 262.


9:18am: Kak3 wheels up at 9:18am , ME 262

9:27am: Kak3 reports single dot, coalt.

9:28am: Nath kills Kak3, with ME 262.

9:29am: Out of perk planes, Kak3 logs disgusted.

Total sorties, 2. Total time 29 boring,frustrating minutes.

And so on till there is a 25 man, ME262 vs. ME262 arena.

But what if you had to build points for those planes? Then there would be very few ever online at one time, and eventually you'd get to take one up when there were a whole bunch of chogs to vulch instead of perks.

towd, Im so happy you think that incredibly bad idea is so cool, and now you know why HTC turns a deaf ear.




[This message has been edited by Creamo (edited 02-14-2001).]

[lazs]

Perk is a bad idea if you want to have a fair and balanced arena.  

Perk is a bad idea in a game where so many STYLES and personalities exist.... Who's style deserves to be rewarded and who's needs to be punished?   I maintain that different styles are the true beauty of the sim and that rewarding one over another narrows the scope of the game.

Perks are a bad idea if you wish to expand on a plane set.   They put focus on a few late war uber planes while offering no help for early war ac introduction.  A developmental ded end.

Perk is a bad idea if you feel new blood is good.  New guys will not be appreciative of being killed by an obviously superior plane that they have no chance to fly.   The dreaded and invincible Chog at least is available to all and if the newbie gets in a lucky snap shot he get's his name in lights... Very re-inforcing.

Also...having uber planes around all thetime is just a bad idea period... even with the Chog being available to all at all times... people feel it is too good to be in the arena.... Being killed by the mediocre Chog is constant cause for animosity..  Imagine the cheeriness of a "perk" arena.

And to what purpose?   At best, most, would like to at least try some of the super planes but there are at least half a dozen better, fairer ways to introduce them..  I don't think most care enough about em tho to destroy the arena as we know it now.   At worst... only a few (the half dozen who vocally are for perk) would like it and for very odd reasons...  Why would anyone wish to have such a huge advantage over other players in a game of skill unless.... Skill is not what they think the game is about.  
lazs

[KaK3]

pakrat, your arrogance is amazing, equalled only by your ignorance. You have no idea what i have earned in myh life and dont ever bring my parents into this discussion again. You have no idea what they were able to give me or not give me.
If you cant have an open forum without using  insulting  words and inuendos, than shut up, you are boring.
Some of us have lives that dont allow us to fly 5 hours a day, you know, we have jobs and family obligations, and I wont qualify my manliness or capability by how i can shoot shoot someone down on the net, like you obviously do.
If  i am allowed one 262, and i get killed the first time i  up , and lose, and havnt gained perk points for any more, I certainly wont log in disgust, like was suggested. grow up, and stick to what you know, your own ideas and friends.
Allowing everyone one 262 /day wont turn the arena into a jet fest, 80% will lose it the first landing/flight  prolly, and getting a product as a result of paying for it with money you earn is a concept Rat is forgetting we are all doing.
About allowing only certain number of planes available per team doesnt work, you get spies who purposelfully crash them, than switch to thier  team side, as happened in AW.

[KaK3]

HA, just noticed the 'junior member' identification under my user name, oh  I can only hope one day to be a 'member', I'll say my prayers and be extra nice to the mean men.

[hblair]

Don't even start calling cheerleader here, but fellas listen- HT, pyro and crew have forgotten 10 times more than you'll ever know about how a main arena works. You don't think they study, eat, breathe and sleep this stuff? You don't think they watch the #'s in the main arena? They've done this gig for years. And last time I checked, I think they do this full time.

You guys are like a buncha outa shape, lardo football fans second guessing the coach in the critical part of the game. Just sit back, relax, and have a beer. A date wouldn't hurt either.  

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
Perk is a bad idea if you want to have a fair and balanced arena.

Is the arena balanced now? If so, I want us to do a duel, I'll take the P51, you take the Machi 202. Coalt merge.

 

[hblair]

Also, lazs, you driving the healey to this years con? If so, you gonna let me loose in it?  

[LJK Raubvogel]

PakRat, you wouldn't happen to be the PakRat from Fighter Ace would ya?

[Octavius]

Pakrat, I'm sorry but your original argument is based on opinion and projected statistics.  There is no telling that the pilots that fly 24/7 will be any different than the pilots that fly only a few hours a week..  No one can base an argument off of shaky facts.  That's why ya got shot down by everyone in this thread    No need to get mad, just create an argument that has a hard fact to it rather than giving it a weak base with a fact that isn't always right.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

PS.
Don't cry, dry your eye!  And let the AH guys figure out what to do with the perk system.  They won't change anything until THEIR idea is tested in the MA first.  If there are problems, and people complain 95% of the time rather than the usual 90%, they might change it!  Until then, don't crap your pants over something that isn't even in effect, bud! (that was a long PS)



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[PakRat]

Negative, Raub. Never flown Fighter Ace.

Kak - It amazes me that you guys can't even give the perk system a chance. You guys get on here and squeak and moan every damn day since the perk system was announced. You guys try to figure out the point system and then rip it apart on the BBS. You squeak because somebody might get to fly a perk more than you. How freaking lame can you get?

Do you dweebs really think that HTC is going to implement a broken system and if they were to do that, that they wouldn't do everything they could to fix it? Do you really think that they would put this in without thinking it through. These guys have been flying and building sims for a damn long time. I think they might have more of a clue than you how it works and how it should work.

Look, dork, if the system is a failure and they are losing subscribers, they will change it - up to and including eliminating it. It already happened with night. People didn't like it and in short order, night was a thing of the past. But you know what - we tried it. We at least got to test it out and see what we liked and didn't like about it. So now we have dusk and dawn - very useful and beautiful. But without night, would we have this or would it always be noon?

What is so freaking hard about just sitting tight and giving it a chance? Once you see how it actually works, then you could (and should) voice your opinion. But why do you have to go and piss on it before we even get to try it? Height of selfishness and stupidity IMHO.

Put yourself in HTC's place. You announce what could be a cool improvement to the sim and then a bunch of bedwetters start crying, squeaking, etc - to no end - when they don't understand the system.

A) How likely would you be to try anything innovative in the future?
B) How much time and effort would you even devote to something that every change, addition, improvement brings nothing but whining?

Getting the picture? Your immature attitudes not only hurt the sim as it is now, you guys hurt the prospects for the sim in the future. I really hope HTC reads through the crap to see and realize that the majority support this - at least for now. If HTC screws it up, then most of us realize that it will get fixed. My guess is it won't get screwed up in the first place. You guys apparently don't think they have a clue or how to run a sim. If that is true, how did they manage to get this far and why are you here squeaking?

Guys like you limit the sim. You want to close your eyes and not see anything new or try anything new. The sad thing is you do everything you can to stop it before anyone else can even see it. You guys are just pathetic.

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[This message has been edited by PakRat (edited 02-16-2001).]

[PakRat]

Octavious, I don't believe I was shot down in this thread. You actually back up the premise - if pilots that fly 24/7 are no different, then they will fly the same percentage of time in perk rides as everyone else. They will just do it more often as they will fly more overall. You flunk stat or something? This is simple math.

The ones making arguments based on weak bases are the guys arguing agains the perk system. Why? I have no idea. Maybe they just can't handle anything new.

I think you actually meant to address your post to the other guys as I am also arguing to wait and see instead of freak out like they have been. Re-read the post.

Have a nice day yourself and a better one tomorrow.  

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