Author Topic: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake (Read 5592 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #120 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:26:34 PM »

If the documents can be proven a forgery then I believe CBS must be made to reveal it's source. Doncha think?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #121 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:32:22 PM »

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What does it say when they've retracted stories in the past (have they really?) but are standing by this one?

Read why.

Nash, just curious (if you haven't run from this thread with your tail between your legs), what exactly does it say to YOU?

Toad · « **Reply #122 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:34:45 PM »

I'm still waiting for something definitive one way or the other on this latest flap.

However, the problem I have with you RPM is that you fail to show the respect for Bush's Guard service... in fact you show a lack of respect for just about EVERYONE'S Guard service... during the VN war.

Yet you demand respect for Kerry's service.

I respect them both and can't respect anyone that doesn't.

So, I pretty much ignore your rants; you're as unreasonably biased as anyone on this board IMO.

AKIron · « **Reply #123 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:42:30 PM »

I think it was a huge mistake if perpetrated by the Kerry camp. Even if true it doesn't really tell us anything new about Bush but will completely destroy Kerry if it is a forgery and can be tied to him. Right up there with Watergate.

rpm · « **Reply #124 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:01:08 PM »

I seem to be in good company Toad.

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I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units .... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country (Colin Powell, My American Journey, p. 148)

If they were "using" the Guard to avoid Vietnam so others would take their place, it was not a very honorable. The Guard today and the Guard in 1960-1970's are 2 very different things.

Nash · « **Reply #125 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:04:41 PM »

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Hehehehehe! Time for those tinfoil hats, Kappa, Nash

Run from this thread with my tail between my legs? You are extraordinarily dense is the only conclusion I can draw.

Dude - it's your side that's wearin' the hats.

No - this document can't be real, it's gotta be one giant conspiracy.

And it doesn't matter how irrelevant (a son says it'd be out of character), or untrue (you can't do "th's" back then) the charges are, or how many holes continue to get punched into this conspiracy theory, you'll never accept that this document just is what it is.

Just like you'll never believe a thing about Kerry's service to your country unless it paints him as an enemy to your country.

Wingnut s'all I can say.

Just so we're on the same page, there exists not one scrap of evidence that proves that these documents are fake. You have to concede that. It's just a bunch of junk experiments like matching computers to typewriters and speculative jabbering.

Which was always the point of the "forgery" accusers. The signal to noise ratio is so messed up now that the only thing anyone will really be able to recall about the whole thing was that it had something to do with typewriter balls.

So once again - good job.

Swift Boats & Typewriter Balls - the Story of the 2004 Election. Democracy in action, yegads.

Toad - What do you think of my answer to your question about the Bush file, regarding seperate entries one of which was typed in '68? You wouldn't say that the document that debunks the fraud charge is also a fraud, would you? My God! Forgeries everywhere you look! All lies! LIES I tell you!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #126 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:08:58 PM »

Nash, everytime you are faced with facts, you go into a rage. Is this normal behavior for you, or is it due to the fact that your drastic lifestlye in the last 6 months still affects you?

-MZ- · « **Reply #127 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:12:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
However, the problem I have with you RPM is that you fail to show the respect for Bush's Guard service... in fact you show a lack of respect for just about EVERYONE'S Guard service... during the VN war.

Why not? It was mostly a big joke, a place for DRAFT DODGERS with family connections.

From the ANG's website:

Vietnam revealed a negative aspect of relying on reservists. For largely domestic political reasons, President Johnson chose not to mobilize most of the nation's reserve forces. The 1968 callups were only token affairs. Johnson's decision to avoid a major reserve mobilization was opposed by the senior leadership of both the active duty military establishment and the reserve forces, but to no avail. The Reserves and the Guard acquired reputations as draft havens for relatively affluent young white men. Military leaders questioned the wisdom of depending on reserve forces that might not be available except in dire emergencies.

rpm · « **Reply #128 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:12:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nash, everytime you are faced with facts, you go into a rage. Is this normal behavior for you, or is it due to the fact that your drastic lifestlye in the last 6 months still affects you?

That was pretty freakin low Rip. Standard practice for your side tho. Well played.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #129 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:15:06 PM »

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That was pretty freakin low Rip. Standard practice for your side tho. Well played.

Its a well known fact that recovery from any substance abuse can lead to unpredictable ( and sometimes violent in nature) behavior. I'm here to help. Best to discuss these things rather than keep them bottled up inside.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #130 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:18:03 PM »

I've seen no facts here..

Iron, I'm sorry you thought I was questioning your sorces. I did not mean it that way. I was only questioning the son as being witness. I admit I know very little about this. I just thought the flip conspiracy 'idea' was fun.. cheers

ra · « **Reply #131 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:19:18 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
If the documents can be proven a forgery then I believe CBS must be made to reveal it's source. Doncha think?

The only way they can be proven a forgery is if CBS cooperates. But CBS is closing the book on this particular episode of 60 Minutes.

If forgery was prooved then a crime has been comitted, and that might end up embarrassing some Democrats. Not what CBS had in mind.

ra

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #132 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:20:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its a well known fact that recovery from any substance abuse can lead to unpredictable ( and sometimes violent in nature) behavior. I'm here to help. Best to discuss these things rather than keep them bottled up inside.

wow.. even lower. who'd have thunk it..

IK0N · « **Reply #133 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:21:12 PM »

The guy below takes the investigation to a new level, good read too, he clears up a few mistakes that the Blogger guys missed...

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Attempts to recreate the memos using Microsoft Word and Times New Roman produce images so close that even taking into account the fact that the image we were able to download from the CBS site has been copied, scanned, downloaded, and reprinted, the errors between the "authentic" document and a file created by anyone using Microsoft word are virtually indistinguishable

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Nash · « **Reply #134 on:** September 13, 2004, 06:21:55 PM »

Lol - you trying to bait me Rip? You cannot be serious...

You keep saying this kinda stuff, and as usual I aint gonna respond to it. It's lower than it is retarded, which is a hell of an accomplishment if it weren't coming from you.