simmer/gamer...community

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Chitownflyer
...  I can hear though the either of the Internet, THAT GD DWEEB CHI ...

Something tells me Rooks would have no shortage of reasons to call you a dweeb.

[Grimm]

TC,
Im not saying you and many others dont have a love for aviation,  But most dont put aviation first, they put Gaming and Simming first.  

Im going to pick on you here to help illistrate my point,  no flame intended.     How much time did you devote to flying online vs time spent on real life aviation?   Also did you spend more on Computer upgrades then on airshows, flying lessons, kit aircraft or another aviation thing?   Have you taken the time  to go to Sun-n-Fun or to Kermit Weeks place?  

If you spend more time online and more effort into flying AH then I would say your a Gamer/Simmer first.

For myself,  I did Oshkosh for a week, and went flying a couple times this year.   I know I stuck more money in computers than I did in Real life Aviation things.   I done alot of aviation things many only dream of,  Yet If loved aviation so much Id be working on an ultralight or something.   I spend my time with AH.   So I guess in truth Im more of a Gamer/Simmer than anything.

It doesnt mean that I dont love Aviation,  But I do put a higher priority on AH.   I think that is norm around here.   Again, Nothing wrong with this.  

I just believe that AH pilots are mostly Gamers/Simmers more than Aviation people.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Chitownflyer
I love hunting live meat... in this case rooks... They’re like baby seals... big dark wet eyes,  cute white fur and
the fact that they scream and whine when getting whacked with my very vintage, well oiled seal whacking bat.

Chi

Chi,
I would recommend the band "Great Big Sea" and the fine song they do called "Ferryland Sealer".   Its a tune that is all about going Sealing.   Check out the song clip on thier website

Great Big Sea

The Refain reminds me of your whacking bat

Laddie whack fall the laddie, laddie whack fall the day

Enjoy!

[august]

Originally posted by airbumba
Who's this Dobbs guy? Oh it's Doobs...man you're out there dude. Radishes, lint...?

are you related to Lou Dobbs , on CNN?...oh it's Doobs....Lou Doobs?

[Halo]

Putting labels on things and trying to fit them into categories is part of understanding, but constant changes in life and definitions often make labeling more futile than useful.  

Most people are never 100% or even 50% how they are labelled by anyone.  Simmer (gotta like that term) or gamer, Republican or Democratic, liberal or conservative, most people and issues are far too complicated to fit into any simple label.    

This thread's starter post focuses on how Aces High members treat each other during the game and on this bulletin board.  As another plea for more empathy and civility, it applies to all participants -- simmer, gamer, or any other label.  

But as we all know ... it's impossible to please everyone.  

One person's clever flame is another's mortal insult.  

One person loves riposte, another brandishes Miss Manners.  

Some people live to provoke whether in innocence or malice; others collect Purple Hearts for hurt feelings.  

Some are pure enough to already fly with angels; others ought to donate their bodies to science yesterday.  

Beyond the flak and rescue voyages, Aces High is just an ordinary routine state-of-the-art leading edge technopsychobabble global arewehavingfunyet license to cyber thrill.

[G0ALY]

As long as hitech uses "GameID"s and not "SimID"s... I guess we are all gamers.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by G0ALY
As long as hitech uses "GameID"s and not "SimID"s... I guess we are all gamers.

LOL!   Bingo!  

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Grimm

Im going to pick on you here to help illistrate my point,  no flame intended.     How much time did you devote to flying online vs time spent on real life aviation?   Also did you spend more on Computer upgrades then on airshows, flying lessons, kit aircraft or another aviation thing?   Have you taken the time  to go to Sun-n-Fun or to Kermit Weeks place?  
 

Hmm....
I started building WWII and korean/vietnam warplane models around age of 6 ( I am 36 now ), I got into RC planes for a lil while in the early 80s, went into navy when I turned 17 ( thansk to parents for authorizing it) got my diploma early and became a Jet Mechanic, followed up for 2 years in A & P school/college after I got out of the Navy ( because I wanted to get married  I would not stay in ) got into computers around 88/89 got into gaming around 92 single person type stuff, tryed my first hand at online late 94 some more in 95  then full time basically from 96 til today......I have not attended the other 2 places you have mentioned. But I have followed the CAF ( now comemorative airForce instead of the proper name ) I visited them at different places to see different planes in past 15 years,  I have took a few beginners flight lessons ( all I could afford ) I probably have more time involving aviation in general than I do in Sim flying although Sim flying has had my most attention in last  6 or so years, due to fact of kids, divorce, work injurys, and real life crap like that......

If I had my way I would spend my money on things I desire to do or have, but my daughters are much more important, so I spend my money now on AH..

wanted to be a fighter pilot since I changed my mind around age 5 or 6 and decided I wanted to be a pilot verses an astronaut.......I got as far as low & high power turn qualified for testing engines after we had changed them out in the jets,  never did get to fly one in real life, but got plenty of sim time in the navy...now those were sims:D


I once traveled to the mtns of Nc to check out a  dang model of a P51D ( almost full scale and looked real to life from a distance) planted on the side of a mountian just so I knew it was fake and not a real bird being slowly decayed from neglect..hiked up side of mtn and everything...then I was astonished to find the detail someone had took to make a big almost scaled model of a P51D, and thought about how much that person loved this type of plane,  most humbling experience....most would thought I was crazy for wasting my time, even I knew it wasn't real, I just wanted an up close view..........

oh well.......I am rambling  my apologies


some places I have been,
Smithsonian in DC
Yorktown memorial
Mighty 8th Muesum i north of Savannah
Pennsacola
bunch of  Naval Airstations ( not because I was navy, was to see the Static Displays )
prob 20+ or so different Air Shows
just to name some
ewe ewe...Parents took me to the Grave Yard out there in California ( think it was Ca.) to see all them old crap load of planes & Jets rotting away  I was 11 years old

[Grimm]

No Apologees needed,   I enjoyed your ramblings  

I mentioned Sun-n-fun and Kermit Weeks Fantasy of Flight because both happen near you.    Sun-n-Fun is like the Mini Oshkosh and kicks off the summer FlyIns.   Its held each April in Lakeland FL.    Fantasy of Flight is a great place to take the Kids, its in Polk City FL.    Depending where you are in Jax,  its 2-3 hour drive.    I recommend Both.    They are 2 of 3 best aviation sites in FL.   Pensecola is the other,  and Iv had the pleasure of visting each of them.

Ill ramble a moment as well,  bear with me.   In addition to the above.
Iv now spent about 15 weeks of my life at Oshkosh.
Iv been to USAF Muesum in Dayton 3 times.
Iv seen Pima Co AirMuseum and Graveyard at Davis-Mothan in Tucson 3 times.
The RAF Museum at Duxford (UK)  including the 8th USAFF museum
THE RAF Museum at Hendon,  The control bunker at Biggen Hill (special thanks to Spiffy and Vulch of the Kraits)
The Cavanaugh Flight Museum TX, The Champlin Flight Museum AZ,  Planes of Fame MN,  EAA Museum WI,  Several other small ones around the country.

Iv had the pleasure of sitting in the pilot seat of,  The Concorde,  The F-117,  SR71,  The B-29 BocksCar, a C46, a B26,  B17,  B36 and many more.  

Iv Flown in a Stinson Tri-motor, a Ford Trimotor, a Couple C-47s,  A B-17, and few others.   Iv taken the controls in a C45 and did some ACM in an AT-6 Texan.    

Iv met General Yeager and Have a personalized and autographed picture sent to me by Yeagar and Tom Poberezny.   I am friends with Amelia Earhart's Family and know several top airshow performers fairly well.   there is a bunch of stuff and people Im forgeting as well.

Thats my Rambling for now...

Still, I figure Im more of a Gamer than Aviation Guy,  but as you can see,  I love both.    I think we are more the exception than the rule.   Isnt AH wonderful because we can merge both interests.  

[Grimm]

I just read thru my post above and sometimes I am just baffled by how lucky Iv been to have had all the experiences I have had.   I am not that deserving.        

[TequilaChaser]

You sure are lucky Grimm.....

as for Kermits and Sun-in-fun  I hopefuly will attend them one day,  I recently moved dwon to fla last June, I became injured last Oct at work, and have not worked since... I go into have a C6 Nerve block procedure done on my neck this coming Thursday provided Ivan stays away.  my funds are bare minimal at best, losing nearly 2/3rds of my regular monthly salary since the injury, and being shafted out of a big sum of commission and sales bonuses...

one of these days, I will make it to a convention, and to other places I desire to see.......

then hopefully my dream will come true to where I can sell out and buy me a cabin and some land in Montana around Bozeman or Missoula and get back to the peaceful things in life like fishing, hunting and camping and try to leave all this World Wide Web stuff for everyone else to go piggybank broke on...hehe  

( ya know the Ocean is right over -------> there and I have not been able to do any deep salt water fishing in nearly a dang year :-(   )


as for being a Gamer, or a simmer, I think of myself just looking for the fight, I mean "the fight" to where it  comes down to who is better skilled, no points, no gamey tactics a clean to honest 1 vs 1, heck 2 vs 1 ( me the 1) to where I use everything I have studied or learned or practiced to beat my opponent without so called cheap shots ( Head Ons or  stuff ). To who can fly his plane the best in the fight, regardless if I am Co-E, disadvantaged E or with the advantage........ I  search for these encounters.......dueling is ok, but dueling is preset arrangement.....it does not offer spur of the moment situations as the MA or CT does, or Scenarios.I love scenarios,  and look forward to AH scenarios as they keep progressing each one the CM staff presents to us...so  I guess I am a SiGaEnthusiaster

[DrDea]

Originally posted by FiLtH

  WW2OL is a good example...a complete bakery, minus the oven.
 

 LMFAO:rofl

[DrDea]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Well, as others have been pointing out lately, maybe the community just needs to be more demanding. And what scenario development showed me is that even the most blood-curdlingly inbred dweeb can be transformed into something resembling a decent pilot - given the right environment to do so. So there's hope, but change is needed at different levels.


So we have gamers arriving here and the only glory they can see is the "Megadweeb landed 5 kills in his La-7" messages ... and all the "wtg's" that come from it. What's the quickest way to get one of these? Vultch. In "the scores" they're just as good as someone who, like, shot down planes with their landing gear actually up, right?

So, just for the sake of argument, lets see what we can fix by messing with one little thing- the kills landed messages. Change them to: "A member of the XXX squadron just landed Y kills." Wow ... the only way to get that glory now is as a squad. While this will result in a lot of dweeb squads, at least now players are getting into a more structured environment.

Now, suppose that squad kill message then did a quick rifle through the stats and if the squad is in the top 10 in any category that's measured, the message has appended to it: "The squad now ranks 5th in kill/death ratio" ... or whatever stat they're best at in the top 10. Now players will start to compete as squadrons. Clans ... thats something gamers can get into, right? And if you limit the stats that get announced to those which can't be easily optimized with pork-based tactics, they will need to work for it.

Same deal when a base is captured - say which squadron got the troops in.

Then do one more thing on the kills landed message ... announce assists as well. People get so upset when they only get assists, but in the bigger picture the guy who lands 1 kill and 4 assists means some team-mates were able to land 4 kills and probably get home. I mean, they announce assists in hockey, right?

But ... make one ever-so-slight change to the way assists work. The assist can only come BEFORE the fatal shot was landed. This means that glomming onto a smoker in hopes of stealing the kill becomes a lot less profitable and the assist goes to the guy who took some risk setting up a kill for somone else.

So, a simple thing like changing the kill award messages could change a lot. And, by doing so we're teaching the gamers about how to achieve results through teamwork. Basically teach them that there's no "i" in "dweeb."

    -DoK

  Ya know Dok.I read your posts like I read a new Stephen King novel.Loving every line.Its obvious youve been around the community a long time.You have a clue.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by DrDea
Ya know Dok.I read your posts like I read a new Stephen King novel.Loving every line.Its obvious youve been around the community a long time.You have a clue.

Hmm...that reminds me. Any old AW types out there have a copy of Cent's "Tao of Dok"? I lost mine years ago and could use a good laff.

[DrDea]

You havnt lived till you have seen Dayton Ohio's Air Museum.I saw it at the AW Con in 2000.Went there with Hajo,Falc,Cdog and several others.Got lots of pix.We're still all friends and stay in touch and THAT my friends is community.It doesnt matter if your a gamer or a simmer.Its the community that makes it work and from what Ive seen lately,its more of a lack of respect more so than a fundimental diffrence is approches to the game.