simmer/gamer...community

[TequilaChaser]

Lol, I remember 900,1200, 2400 baud and I thought I was hot**** on my neighborhood block when I got my 9600 modem...........

I'm not as long in the tooth as NB, but 10,15 years ago you can honestly say the mentality of the individual player was to a higher degree.........from then to now is like a difference in Day and Night.........

I am here because I have fun, like NB says all the time!  

and I will always help anyone who ask, sometimes offer when they don't ask.......

times will always keep changing but like the saying goes, is hard to teach an old dog new tricks..........

[Arlo]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser

times will always keep changing but like the saying goes, is hard to teach an old dog new tricks..........

Don't waste your time on the old ones, then.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by Arlo
Don't waste your time on the old ones, then.

but where or how do you think the new pups will learn? got to have the old ones to lead the new ones  

that old dog can often show the new pup a thing or two..........

[NoBaddy]

Maudlin? Hardly. Do I miss the days when I could log into the game I played and know well over half of the people on at that time? Sure. But, I'm also realistic enough to understand that without growth, the game will die.

As for your "piffle"...take any real world example of a communtity you chose and increase the population by 300 to 500% and see if the "sense of community" doesn't suffer. Hence, my "looking for Mayberry" analogy. My point is that the AW community was based in on a "small town" mentality. By the time the game went mainstream, it was too large for the community to absorb all of the new people and maintain the character that made it special.

As for the leadership stuff...been there, done that. I agree that leadership can have an impact. However, my previous experience leads me to believe that just being one of the Indians is better for me...personally. Which is why you don't see me whining about "community" in the BBs.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
but where or how do you think the new pups will learn? got to have the old ones to lead the new ones  

that old dog can often show the new pup a thing or two..........

Are we not talking about the same thing here? Huh? HUH?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Maudlin? Hardly. Do I miss the days when I could log into the game I played and know well over half of the people on at that time? Sure. But, I'm also realistic enough to understand that without growth, the game will die.

As for your "piffle"...take any real world example of a communtity you chose and increase the population by 300 to 500% and see if the "sense of community" doesn't suffer. Hence, my "looking for Mayberry" analogy. My point is that the AW community was based in on a "small town" mentality. By the time the game went mainstream, it was too large for the community to absorb all of the new people and maintain the character that made it special.

As for the leadership stuff...been there, done that. I agree that leadership can have an impact. However, my previous experience leads me to believe that just being one of the Indians is better for me...personally. Which is why you don't see me whining about "community" in the BBs.

Mayberry lives. But the community now also has Mount Pilot. It also has New York , Chicago, Chatanooga, Baton Rouge. Add in London, Tokyo, Moscow, Sydney ......

What I'm sayin' is ... this community is made up of several smaller ones now. And they share similarities ... and differences. And some of those differences just ain't gonna be overcome.

Talkin' to someone about how nice the good ol days were when all there was were 3 bases, no bombers, no collisions and 9600 baud was more than enough because the whole ruttin world wasn't on the internet yet may get as much a positive response as typing esperanto will. They just ain't gonna get it .... nor care if they did.

Same can be said the other way around. Talking to some of the old crew about why they need to get over things changing, especially when there's so much more neat stuff to do and nicer toys to play with ... generally will invoke a response of "you wet-behind-the-ears noob twit."

Hehe.

That's why leadership is action more than words.

Now ... ifluff'n we don't care to set the example none.... that's fine too. Especially since there'll probably be hundreds of different examples bein' set by old dogs who feel strongly ... but see things differently.

`Course, you pretty well much just said that.

It's a game. It has a rather interesting pedigree. And some really interesting people and traditions. And it's got a future.

Cool.

[airbumba]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
This is like looking for Andy Taylor and Barney Fife's Mayberry. When AW started, there was no internet. Due to access and financial concerns, AW was very limited (the arena limit was 32 in 1990). Now that was a great community. As AW expanded...the community grew also. When AW went mainstream (to AOL and Compuserve), the community became more fragmented and, IMO, the game play suffered.

Unfortunately, the only way to have a successful OLG these days is to continually bring in new customers. The constant influx of new bodies insures that a community will suffer.

I agree. The last line sums it up. As Arlo says in a later post, the small Mayberry is now a larger community made up from a bunch of small ones, here i'll use your "piffle" Arlo.

Ever try and tenfold a recipe? Always seems to not duplicate the original, something is lost in the math. You are correct, but if we take the respect for fellow citizens that our small 'Mayberry' has , and throw together 25 Mayberry's, we end up with a New York, with a more individualistic each their own community ,and not a burrough of Mayberry's.

Maybe it's the crowd mentality? Maybe it's the way the world is turning? Whatever it is, even since I've been here, only 3 years, I've seen respect decline as numbers increased. I just hope that trend doesn't continue.

cya up there gents .

[Arlo]

Piffle. I've seen Andy and Barney and Floyd the barber online. We still laugh and joke about the old days.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Panman
Grimm, Did ya know that Rockford had the chance to become the home of the eaa fly-in? But they blew it and Oshkosh became the home for it. I,ve been to fun&sun. Had a blast.If you ever get the chance check out Flying Tigers in Kissimmee. Last time I was there they were restoring a B-17, F4u, & a 190a5. Right next door you can fly a T-6 , which I did.What a blast. Also I have a bother that works for the rotary air force that works all the eaa fly-ins.

                                                    Panman

Fun & Sun is a Great Show,  Its much more personal than Oshkosh, Iv only had the privledge to attend once.    

I did go out to Tom Rielys join in Kissimmee.   What a Great Place!   Its the only place if you walk out back you might find a P38  cockpit layin in the grass with weeds growing around it.

Also did the Warbirds Adventure SNJ Flight,  That was so fun.  The funny thing is on the Video from the flight,  was anytime I was holding the joystick, I had my trigger finger extended.  LOL  Habit from Flight Sims.  

Yeah,  its lucky for Oshkosh that they decided to move up to Steve Whimans home feild all those years ago.  

[Grimm]

Originally posted by LtPillur
I too did not understand your "mecca of airshows" comment. Because for me the "mecca" is the Paris air show. Not Oshgosh. Maybe as Wisconsiner it becomes obvious that EAA has the biggest and best (former Kenosha guy here). It's arguable. I've gone to Oshgosh for years (since 1971 to give my approximate age away). I am absolutley NOT a computer guy. Flying is a gift from God himself. I found out about this sim/game/fascination because I was interested in WW2 aircraft and found this site a year ago. I also like it because I cannot loop my B-26 in real life. When I first came here I thoiught I'd find more pilots or student pilots then I did. I was actually surprised to find this not to be the case. Anyway it's still fun.
Peace
Pillur

I would have to agree, the other place one might consider the Mecca of Aviation as Paris.    Definately the two biggest events I can think of.   I tend to think of Paris as the display case of all the new military hardware and new commerical planes.   I think of Oshkosh as the best place to see the Warbirds we all love.  

Pillur Im glad you found this place that lets you express your love for Aviation and Warbirds.   Not everyone here is a gamer,  but I still believe most here are Gamers (with a little aviation interest) not hard core aviation people.

[Grimm]

Just a quick comment relating to the sub discussion on community.   Its one of those deals where both, NB and Arlo, are right.  Both examples hold true and the truth is a bit of both.  

What I see is the new customers are less deticated overall.   No not every single one,  its a broad brush.    Back in the day of (I started with 300bd) old,  anyone online was diehard.  

When AW was small, Everyone was paying hourly rates, and to spend that money you really had to be into it.  

Today we have people that can afford to more causal in their approach,  Nothing wrong than that its just different.  

Have you noticed that attendace at CONs is down,  Scenario participation is down.   The Average player just isnt as obsesive as those from the days of Gods and Legends.  

Well at least thats my take on it.

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by Chitownflyer
I love hunting live meat... in this case rooks... They’re like baby seals... big dark wet eyes,  cute white fur and
the fact that they scream and whine when getting whacked with my very vintage, well oiled seal whacking bat.


I love seeing a rook plane lit up like Sox park and  feeling their pain as hopes of his returning fade with every bullet hole in the windshield.

And when the rook is tumbling, in flames and trashing his keyboard out of blind hate, and yelling so loud that I can hear though the either of the Internet, THAT GD DWEEB CHI

My heart soar, like a winged eagle and feel the warm satisfaction that I killed a rook ego and ruined his KD...

Chi

Tour 57:

Kills of Rooks:  155  Killed by Rooks 161.

Sounds like you're breaking even with the baby seals, CHI

A bit better this month, so far.  Still room for improvement before calling us baby seals .

[beet1e]

Originally posted by XrightyX
Tour 57:

Kills of Rooks:  155  Killed by Rooks 161.

Sounds like you're breaking even with the baby seals, CHI

A bit better this month, so far.  Still room for improvement before calling us baby seals .

ROFL! You are as bad as me, Righty! My experience is that guys who crow without substance will fight like an upset fish on the end of a line when confronted with the facts.