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« Reply #120 on: September 10, 2004, 05:58:51 PM »
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So even now, with the hindsight of 911 you beive that Bush terror warnings on threat memos are evil mass mind control ala 1984..

But you imply that you would support and want such a warning based on the vague 2001 memo... All before 911..

Right...  

And you know what I think of the context under which you post stuff like this Kappa...


No .. I never said that but nice spin. There is a job for you at FOX:)
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« Reply #121 on: September 10, 2004, 06:27:55 PM »
No 9/11 isn't Bush's fault but the current mess in Iraq surely is.




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« Reply #122 on: September 10, 2004, 07:01:50 PM »
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No 9/11 isn't Bush's fault but the current mess in Iraq surely is.




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Invading it's neighbors, torturing and murdering it's citizens, Iraq has been a mess for many years. Bush is cleaning it up.
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« Reply #123 on: September 10, 2004, 07:34:23 PM »
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No .. I never said that but nice spin. There is a job for you at FOX:)


I'm a devout CNN fan going back to Gulf War 1 and it shows.. :)

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« Reply #124 on: September 10, 2004, 07:39:36 PM »
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No 9/11 isn't Bush's fault but the current mess in Iraq surely is.




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I hear alot of people use the word mess when they describe or discuss Iraq. I think it's a bit melodramatic, but that's just me.

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« Reply #125 on: September 10, 2004, 07:47:41 PM »
To say Bush is responsible for 9/11 is outrageous. I read that memo, no where does it say an attack is imminent. However it does say the FBI had 70 ongoing investigations on AQ suspects. That shows *something* was already being done. With the incomplete information in that memo you can hardly do more.

Also, not one of us knows if more or less was done after that memo and to DEMAND to know from people who frequent this forum what if anything was done about it is preposterous.

Those of you who think Bush could have or should have done something more should run for President. You try to lead a country. You try to sift through all the memos you get everyday and decide which ones are important and which ones arent. I dare say none of you would do a better job, in fact most would probably do far worse than our President.


Btw....Kappa if you dont like MY post.....I go by Elfie in the MA also, feel free to come pwn me :)
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« Reply #126 on: September 10, 2004, 07:51:16 PM »
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Btw....Kappa if you dont like MY post.....I go by Elfie in the MA also, feel free to come pwn me :)


You are doomed!!!   :rofl  

I gotta say that little gem of Kappa's was the most pathetic argument even on this BBS, especially the self parising add-on...

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« Reply #127 on: September 10, 2004, 08:20:01 PM »
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You are doomed!!!   :rofl  

I gotta say that little gem of Kappa's was the most pathetic argument even on this BBS, especially the self parising add-on...


Maybe I am doomed.....but maybe not, I am not totally unskilled in flight sim combat :)

I recall a situation in AW where an individual got banned for inappropriate language and somehow felt I was the one responsible for getting him banned. He emailed another AW player and that player hunted me for days. The first few days he killed me repeatedly. However, I learned and after a few days the tide turned and the Hunter became the Hunted :)

One friend in particular on the Hunter's team would tell me where he was, and I would go there just to kill him. Kinda funny how when I started winning he started whining and eventually stopped hunting me :)
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« Reply #128 on: September 10, 2004, 09:09:10 PM »
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I hear alot of people use the word mess when they describe or discuss Iraq. I think it's a bit melodramatic, but that's just me.



I find Bush constant "Thugs and Assasins","Hunt Down","Freedom Loving People" etc... Melodramatic but that's just me.



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« Reply #129 on: September 10, 2004, 09:14:20 PM »
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I find Bush constant "Thugs and Assasins","Hunt Down","Freedom Loving People" etc... Melodramatic but that's just me.



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Fair enough I suppose, but let's consider the things that are *really* going on there..day to day, versus the hype on the news and the ad-libs by politicians.

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« Reply #130 on: September 10, 2004, 09:19:23 PM »
To answer a question put forth earlier in this thread, WWJKD?

The Captain would put the Enterprise in cloaked orbit (cloaking device appropriated from the Klingon Empire) passing over the continental United States and beam down a landing party.  Two of the landing party would meet their fates, (The red shirted ones) and in retaliation, James T Kirk would set the Enterprise's phasers on stun and then fire on the entire US eastern seaboard.

Aircraft would be tractor beamed to safe landings, and a thorough search for the sabatours and killers of the red shirted crewmembers would ensue.  

If this strategy did not prove successful, a warp speed slingshot trajectory around the Sun with an extremely small percentage of sucess would emperil the crew but ultimately prove sucessful in causing a time shift which would result in the crew of the Enterprise arriving before any terrorist act occurs, but the crew having perfect 20/20 intellegence would arrest all perpetrators.

Not much of this technology is available to President Bush.
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« Reply #131 on: September 10, 2004, 09:49:41 PM »
Ok ...lets take it a step farther....;)

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Some things the US citizens should never forget:

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 7,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

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Clinton Admits Doubts About His Administration's al-Qaeda Response
Posted April 9, 2004
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The commission probing the Sept. 11 terror attacks met Thursday with former President Bill Clinton in a three-and-a-half hour, closed-door session during which, commissioners said, he expressed some doubts about his administration's response to terrorist attacks by al-Qaeda.

"He was very frank. He gave us a lot of very helpful insight into things that happened [and his] policy approaches [to them]," said Reagan-era Navy secretary commissioner John F. Lehman.

The meeting -- though likely to be overshadowed by the public testimony under oath the commission heard the same day from current National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice -- brings into sharp relief long-standing allegations that Clinton's response to a series of attacks by Islamic terrorists made the United States appear weak and encouraged al-Qaeda in their belief that they could strike the United States with impunity.

"We did go into some of the obvious criticisms of the eight years under his tenure," Lehman told CNN, after news of the Clinton meeting broke late Thursday afternoon.

He added that the former president was now second-guessing some of the decisions that he made at that time. "He was very frank, very open about talking about some decisions where, had he known some things, [they] might have gone one way or another way."

The commission -- formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States -- has already reported that there were several occasions after the attacks on two U.S. embassies in East Africa when senior officials might have had an opportunity to order terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden killed, either with cruise missiles or by locally recruited Afghan CIA agents.

On four occasions in 1998-99, commission investigators said at a hearing last month, officials -- including counterterrorism tzar Richard A. Clarke, CIA Director George Tenet and Clinton National Security Adviser Samuel R. Berger -- opted not to strike locations where bin Laden was thought to be. Officials said their information was not certain enough and the number of innocent civilians who might be killed was unacceptably high.

Commissioners said they also asked Clinton about policy matters. "We asked him a host of big questions, big policy recommendations," said former Indiana Democratic congressman and commission member Tim Roemer.

The former president's office said in a statement that Clinton was "pleased" to have had the opportunity to meet with the panel "and believed it was a very constructive meeting."

Commissioner Jamie Gorelick, who was Clinton's deputy attorney general, told CNN that the former president -- as he is wont -- was very voluble. "He even answered questions we didn't ask," she joked.

Commissioner Slade Gorton, the former GOP senator from Washington state, added that the meeting ran over by almost an hour but was "very valuable" because "President Clinton has done a lot of thinking since he left office on issues like this," and said the commission was grateful for his advice.

Both panelists also took the opportunity to comment on papers from the Clinton White House, which, though provided to the current administration by the former president's archive, were not turned over to the commission.

After the issue was brought to light by former Clinton official Bruce R. Lindsey, commission lawyers were given access to the papers and concluded that, of more than 10,000 documents, less than 70 were relevant to their inquiry and not duplicative of material already obtained elsewhere.

"We haven't gotten them yet," Gorton said of the documents, "and they are relevant to our mission. ... We fully expect that we will get all of them so that they can inform our ultimate report."

"Now that we found out why it was that we didn't get certain Clinton administration documents that were withheld by the White House," added Gorelick, "we're going to issue a parallel request for similar Bush administration documents."
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Links upon links of what Clinton didn't do. He was to blame 1st don't you think?

Bush did plenty. Bush is doing plenty. Bush WILL continue to do plenty.

So many so quick to lay blame. So many so quick to point fingers.

Yet...So few to take the bull by the horns and get done what needs to be done. So few to do the dirty part of the job.

Ohhh...but the finger pointers...they will be there pointing...Demonstrating...ma rching and saying we have no business doing anything basically.

I guess maybe I am one of very very few people that think that if you hit me once shame on you...but 3 or 4 times?  eek:  Thats when it becomes , at least in my mind , time to make sure you NEVER have that chance again.

Could Bush have done more prior to 9/11? No..I don't think so. Did he do anything? Yes...He STARTED his presidency. HE was doinig what ALL presidents do. Sorting thru info. Making policies , trying to get his administration going strong in the 1st year.

I say to you Finger pointers....

Lighten Up...Yall's Hero Cliniton lobbed cruise missles because he had to overcome White Spots on Dresses and funny scented Cigars. And misssed to boot. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #132 on: September 10, 2004, 11:03:45 PM »
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Ok ...lets take it a step farther....;)

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Lighten Up...Yall's Hero Cliniton lobbed cruise missles because he had to overcome White Spots on Dresses and funny scented Cigars. And misssed to boot. :rolleyes:



Dont stop there. What about Reagan? He didnt respond after Beirut. In fact he had us run which gave them (terrorists) the idea that they could hit us with impunity. Or why not go all the way back to George Washington?:)
The fact is that "my" current Pres is in charge and he gets the accolades when things go right and takes the crap when it goes wrong.That is the way it is.
Bin Laden is responsible and we dont have him. Oh but we will :) Election is coming:)
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« Reply #133 on: September 11, 2004, 06:14:15 PM »
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To answer a question put forth earlier in this thread, WWJKD?

The Captain would put the Enterprise in cloaked orbit (cloaking device appropriated from the Klingon Empire) passing over the continental United States and beam down a landing party.  Two of the landing party would meet their fates, (The red shirted ones) and in retaliation, James T Kirk would set the Enterprise's phasers on stun and then fire on the entire US eastern seaboard.

Aircraft would be tractor beamed to safe landings, and a thorough search for the sabatours and killers of the red shirted crewmembers would ensue.  

If this strategy did not prove successful, a warp speed slingshot trajectory around the Sun with an extremely small percentage of sucess would emperil the crew but ultimately prove sucessful in causing a time shift which would result in the crew of the Enterprise arriving before any terrorist act occurs, but the crew having perfect 20/20 intellegence would arrest all perpetrators.

Not much of this technology is available to President Bush.


Nice mockery in an excellent story, but my question to what I consider a treky of WWJKD was in the context of responsibility. More exactly, the acceptance or denial of responsibility...

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« Reply #134 on: September 11, 2004, 06:24:46 PM »
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Dude, he's got a staff. He probably delegated it.
What you want him to do, go to every airport and inspect the passengers,     we don't even do that now,
Want him to go to southern boarder and stop illegals’, we don't do it now,
Want him to inspect every cargo container; we don't even do it now.


Again.. It matters none what I would have done or what I would do now. I am not the POTUS. What does matter is our leader failed to do anything.

What I wanted in this thread? I wanted to see if there were any gungho Bush supporters here with any guts.. That could freely admit what our POTUS did after the memo which was nothing. I wanted to understand how he could still be held not responsible. Even though he is our president and the country was attacked on his watch. To me, even if we were attacked under Clinton's watch, wanna take a gander on who I would hold ultimatly responsible? Clinton, absolutly. 9/11 is/was larger than party lines..