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Offline beet1e

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2004, 12:53:13 PM »
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Guns are tools. They are designed and built to do one thing. Guns themselves do not kill people. Yes, it is easier with a gun but that's what tools do...make things easier.

Hammers are designed and built to do one thing. I can kill someone with a hammer. That's not what it's desiged to do...

Gun makers shouldn't be held liable for crimes commited with their products. If that's true, we should hold the same reservations for knife makers, car makers, aircraft makers, tool makers, carpenters, grocery stores, etc...
OK, so tell me this: Why is there so much hoopla over the "freedom" to own a gun? Why is it that the only tools that are the subject of any constitutional amendment are guns? Was there ever a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right of citizens to own hammers? If not why not?

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2004, 12:58:25 PM »
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OK, so tell me this: Why is there so much hoopla over the "freedom" to own a gun? Why is it that the only tools that are the subject of any constitutional amendment are guns? Was there ever a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right of citizens to own hammers? If not why not?


The British never tried to take away the Colonist's hammers.

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2004, 12:58:57 PM »
I'm guessing because guns are designed to kill things while Hammers are not.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2004, 01:02:56 PM »
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Because we can't...


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Of course we can...


I agree with your point, that typically victims sue companies because they typically have more $$$ than criminals.  I just disagree with your arguement.

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2004, 03:05:51 PM »
It would appear that the guns were held blameless and that their functioning and soundness is not an issue... the company and the shop are settling based on their negligence in the matter of distribution... the shop I believe had a frachise like contract with bushmaster.

The gun itself was not held at fault.... the oppossite of what beetle claims.

If a dealer or manufacture passed out firearms at an insane asylumn or prison the gun would still not be to blame.

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2004, 04:37:28 PM »
Hey bettle ,ah beetlle.ah beetred,ah e1teeb,ah t1ebee,er london where ya been? nOT GNUS again.
   
Hey I found out whats wrong with ya,  turn the page ,it says to protest pools as pools kill more kids in orange county in one year as accidental discharge of firearms have in 20 years.

 luck of the Irish to ya.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2004, 04:49:54 PM »
What's the hoopla over owning a gun? Simple...it's one of the few things that can not only strike fear into the heart of men, but also injure or kill someone at a distance.

The hoopla is over self-defense. Americans want guns as self-defense tools that will protect themselves and their family and property. Americans want something that will deter a person from messing with their stuff or familes, and to kill someone who is trying to hurt or kill them. Essentially, Americans think that if guns are banned, it will be like a cat getting its claws removed.

If there weren't any guns, people would still be defending their property and families with other items like pitchforks, hammers, baseball bats, axes, anything that can be used to deliver a blow that will deter an attacker. Guns make that taskeasier and keeps the owner safe from relative harm.

Holding gun manufacturers liable for their products is stupid and quiet narrow-minded. Gun makers make guns to do one thing: shoot a projectile at a very fast speed. They do not design guns to kill, they design guns to shoot. A gun never even has to kill someone...it could be a target rifle or a trap shotgun. It is a matter of who is behind the trigger and what his intention with the gun is.

Remember, anything and everything can be a weapon. I can hurl my computer moniter at someone and hurt them, or smash someone on the head with a can of Coke. It's a matter of who is using it and how they're using it.

A gun isn't designed to kill...it's designed to shoot.

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2004, 05:25:01 PM »
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What's the hoopla over owning a gun? Simple...it's one of the few things that can not only strike fear into the heart of men, but also injure or kill someone at a distance.
A pattern emerges. On a normal, peaceful day in Dullesville USA, guns can be heralded as the fortification amongst the ranks of God fearing Amurricans against the insidious menace (most probably a figment of their imagination) that lurks unseen in the neighbourhood. But, when something goes wrong, and the rivers of GunToting Utopia turn to poo (eg. Washington sniper, many dead), folks are quick to distance themselves from the potentially lethal effects of their armoury, and dismiss guns as mere tools, along with tyre levers, knives, hammers.....

OK, Gotcha. :aok:cool:

Better check under your beds tonight - or even IN your beds. There might be Commies in there. :lol

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2004, 05:30:09 PM »
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It would appear that the guns were held blameless and that their functioning and soundness is not an issue... the company and the shop are settling based on their negligence in the matter of distribution... the shop I believe had a frachise like contract with bushmaster.

The gun itself was not held at fault.... the oppossite of what beetle claims.

If a dealer or manufacture passed out firearms at an insane asylumn or prison the gun would still not be to blame.

lazs


Really hard to lay the blame on an inanimate object isnt it? :)
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2004, 10:45:21 AM »
beetle... it is human nature and math that are causing you the most grief on the gun thing.   Plus... you envy American self reliace and are maybe still a little pissed that we threw you guys out so long ago and don't have the proper respect for the rulinjg class.

Human nature, especialy in vibrant countries of ethnic and cultural mixes (not tiny little islands)  tends to be extreme in a small minority of the population.   This still represents a large number tho if the population is say.... 330 million.

even in dull, stagnat islands there is a certain percentage of the population predisposed to crime.

In the vibrant and self reliant country like the U.S. ...  it is somewhat more dangerous with more risk of crime...

Now the math.... in said vibrant and self reliant country...  2-3 million crimes a year are prevented by a simple policy of allowing it's law abiding citizens to defend themselves.   The downside is a miniscule accident rate with firearms and.... people that would have been bludeoned or stabbed to death are shot instead.  but...  even in that... if even a small fraction of the 3 milloon prevented crimes were potentialy leathal...  the firearms are a huge net gain in life saving.

so... to be against guns in America is to be for homicide and increased crime.

How I "feel" about the above facts are as irrelevant as how you "feel" about em.

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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2004, 11:22:56 AM »
Hey Lazs!   What you yelling at me for? All I did was post a link to a news article.

As to the Math - you have a weird way of assessing the size of various countries and/or land masses. You once said
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America is compossed of 40 tiny little states no bigger than say... england and.... 10 whopping big ones.
I should point out that NZ is the size of CO - America's 8th largest state, and is therefore even larger than two of America's "whopping big" states. And yet you have been known to refer to New Zealand as a "tiny little island". How do you reconcile this somewhat glaring anomaly?

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2004, 03:16:42 PM »
geez Beetle.. everywhere I look I see you going out of your way to tell the world what a pretentious and insular jerk you are.   Have you not filled your quota for the month?  How about giving this glorious  campaign a break?

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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2004, 03:33:09 PM »
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Guns are tools. They are designed and built to do one thing. Guns themselves do not kill people. Yes, it is easier with a gun but that's what tools do...make things easier.

Hammers are designed and built to do one thing. I can kill someone with a hammer. That's not what it's desiged to do...


What are guns built to do?

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2004, 03:37:33 PM »
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What are guns built to do?



shoot.

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« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2004, 04:48:10 PM »
beetle... I have no problem with the news article or even people posting a link to it...

The problem is your bizzare and erronious conclussion (seems it WAS the guns fault after all)...

you claim it "WAS" the guns fault but then link to an article that proves that it wasn't the guns fault... no problems were found with the firearm.

lazs