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Offline beet1e

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Seems like it WAS the gun's fault after all
« on: September 10, 2004, 11:49:26 AM »
"A gun manufacturer and retailer have agreed to pay £1.4 million in compensation to families of the Washington snipers' victims in a settlement that could lead to stronger controls over the sale of firearms in America."

Full story here.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2004, 11:58:22 AM »
Hate to take a little thunder out of your storm but: "the first time a gunmaker has agreed to pay damages to resolve claims of negligent distribution of weapons, the families' "

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2004, 11:59:53 AM »
From a different Reuters article:

... "238 guns had disappeared from the Bull's Eye gun shop, near where Muhammad and Malvo lived for a brief time, and that more than 50 guns from the shop were traced to criminal acts between 1997 and 2001"

Sounds like negligence to me.  That shop should be closed, if they haven't already been forced to close because of the settlement payout.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2004, 12:03:33 PM »
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From a different Reuters article:

... "238 guns had disappeared from the Bull's Eye gun shop, near where Muhammad and Malvo lived for a brief time, and that more than 50 guns from the shop were traced to criminal acts between 1997 and 2001"

Sounds like negligence to me.  That shop should be closed, if they haven't already been forced to close because of the settlement payout.


If this is true, they should be charged with Criminal Neglagence and tried in Court.
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Offline Muckmaw1

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2004, 12:06:09 PM »
Because we can't sue the guy who used the gun to shoot innocent people...

These F****** Lawyers make me want to puke.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040910/us_nm/crime_sniper_gunshop_dc
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2004, 12:09:36 PM »
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Because we can't sue the guy who used the gun to shoot innocent people...


Who says victims can't sue their attackers?
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2004, 12:12:50 PM »
How in the hell can you hold the manufacturer liable...The shop yes maybe...but not the manufacturer..I can't believe they agreed to settle..That is utter BS.....So if I kill someone with a frying pan their families can sue Farberware...thats the mentality that is being considered acceptable nowadays...This is just sick...not compensation for the victims families..its pure and utter GREED.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2004, 12:18:38 PM »
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..I can't believe they agreed to settle..That is utter BS...

No company, large or small, wants to stand opposed to a crying mother/sister/daughter in court. They'll always settle, and the lawyers from both sides will all get rich. I'm sure it will get better with an ambulance-chaser/trial-lawyer in the white house though.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2004, 12:19:45 PM »
Either Beet1e is trolling or he can't read.  I'm guessing it's a little of both.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2004, 12:26:19 PM »
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If this is true, they should be charged with Criminal Neglagence and tried in Court.


Agreed 100%!

Silly to hold the manufactures responsible. They settled because sadly, it would have been a losing case for them most likely costing them much much more than the settlement.. I think Edbert nailed it..Well, except the last sentence he wrote..
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2004, 12:28:21 PM »
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No company, large or small, wants to stand opposed to a crying mother/sister/daughter in court. They'll always settle, and the lawyers from both sides will all get rich. I'm sure it will get better with an ambulance-chaser/trial-lawyer in the white house though.


If I ownwd a corperation..I'd probrably go bankrupt and end up in jail..I couldn't stand up in court and not yell out "BS!" the whole time..not to mention the union gangsters would probrably firebomb my business for refusing to hire union workers..compnaies are bowing down too much these days...sad really
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2004, 12:37:35 PM »
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Who says victims can't sue their attackers?


Of course we can...

But Bushmaster has alot more money than John Lee Malvo, Does'nt it?
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2004, 12:38:49 PM »
Guns are tools. They are designed and built to do one thing. Guns themselves do not kill people. Yes, it is easier with a gun but that's what tools do...make things easier.

Hammers are designed and built to do one thing. I can kill someone with a hammer. That's not what it's desiged to do...

Gun makers shouldn't be held liable for crimes commited with their products. If that's true, we should hold the same reservations for knife makers, car makers, aircraft makers, tool makers, carpenters, grocery stores, etc...
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2004, 12:43:36 PM »
Nice post Texace
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2004, 12:49:19 PM »
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Either Beet1e is trolling or he can't read.  I'm guessing it's a little of both.


Actually, his pets ran off.
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