German Planes/HTC

[Soulyss]

You could probably argue the case either way for whether the 109G's could turn better than the P-51's and you could pull pilots from both sides who would claim that their plane was the better.

I think the general  concensus is that the P-51 should out turn the 109 at high speeds, but the slower you get the gap narrows then goes the 109's way as you get slower and slower.    But I'm just an old recovering AH -51 dweeb so what do I know.  

[killnu]

At least, in AH2 no 109G will outturn any US plane now

sorry kweassa, thats what i thougt to, but i was wrong.  had a G10 turn inside of my 38 with full flaps today.  we were both low and pretty close to co-e at begining of fight.  i thought it was bs, but was informed otherwise.  sigh
~S~

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by Kweassa
At least, in AH2 no 109G will outturn any US plane now.

Hmmm.... must be the pilot.  I out turn all 51's, f4u's, p47 (Easily) in the 109G10 but DO have problem w/ p38's, f6f/fm2/f4f's.  Heck, I turn 'em w/ lala's, but then again, I can turn me110g2 with spit's and win UNLESS they get me in a constant flat turn situation and after 3-4 rounds the spit will get the advantage, and then i'll break and run like the wind!

Give me a 109G10 vs. a 51 or jug any day.  Not sure exactly what we are doing different.

[Krusty]

I had a sweet high-alt P51B vs 109F4 duel not long ago. I thought it was  G at first, until he kept up with me. I had to turn slow, as not to lose speed. We were 15k or more. So because we both were trying to keep speed up (~200) we extended a lot, but when I pushed it, and when we slowed down, that 109F4 kept up with me in flat turns. I made some mistakes and lost a flap, an aileron, and  my oil, but it was a great fight.

[Misfit]

Ah yes but there was a reason why the 110 was left out of this topic. The 110 is able to lower its flaps a tad above 200. This is pretty much what i would like to see in the 109s and 190s. Go test it if ya want. The 110 will lower 1 notch flaps about 210 or so but well above the speed to deploy gears.

I am at the point to drop my gear just so i can get to speed to use flaps. I have not done it yet but getting very tempted.

As for the 51. Historically we all know the p51 had a better flap system. The P51 though in not in question. The original topic was 109s and 190s and speeds that they should be able to deploy there flaps.

As for my tinted gun sight, i wonder if i could get HTC to buy me some glasses cause he makin me go blind

[moot]

Originally posted by KurtVW
Well yes, but lets not forget that modern planes produce more than their own weight in thrust and use computer controlled flaps and slats.  With that much power available the increase in drag is not as apt to pull your speed down a great deal.

He likely meant now as opposed to before the present FM.

[Misfit]

BTW Lute,
This is not a topic about skill. Talking skill is not gonna help this conversation as there are way to many variables involved when we start talking about fights we have been in.

But on the otherside, the only Widowmaker i've ever seen in german planes is wrag. I didnt think you guys flew german steel  

[4510]

Originally posted by Hajo

As for speeds when LW can deploy flaps....I unfortunately have no anwer to that.  Hopefully someone else does.

Just under 200... for the LW rides...

[Flyboy]

i found 190s much batter now then they where in AH1

[storch]

The modelling for all LW fighters in this game is way off.

1. The 109 did not compress.  the pilot could easily adjust the whole horizontal stab with his trim wheel.  I suspect that you would cause the structure to fail before it would not pull out of a dive.

2. As Grun stated you could dial in any amount of flap you desired at any speed.  Think of the possibilities.

3. The 190 did not tip stall at all and the 190 could hold it's own in a turnfight with the Spit IX.  Against the P47 the 190 totally dominated the engagement.  The only option the P-47 driver would have was to dive away to save his skin.

4. The MG 151/20mm HE round was equally as effective as the Hispano.

Don't hold your breath on seeing any of these changes implemented.  Most players prefer allied aircraft and if I were on board with HTC I wouldn't want to upset my predominant customer base.

[GODO]

Originally posted by 4510
Just under 200... for the LW rides...

Plain wrong: 311 mph and 186 mph for real Fw190s, 13 and 57 degrees respectively, way off from current AH settings.

[phookat]

Originally posted by Misfit
1) The tinted gun sight is actually making it harder to see targets in specific lighting. I dont know if its the new skins or maybe just my eye sight going bad but i can see targets alot better in allied sights then german. Historically i believe the sight could be toggled. Feed back anyone?

AGREE.  Turn the tint off, if it was removable IRL.  Planes are hard to see even in broad daylight at d200 unless they are completely backdropped by the sky.  Twilight...absolutely invisible.

Theoretically if the tint was toggleable IRL , we should have a key for toggling it.  In practice, we never want to toggle it on anyway, because there is no glare in this game (except for full screen "sun glare").  Same issue I described in another thread, brightness of the monitor is limited.

Originally posted by Misfit
2)Flap deployment speeds. I talked to few people and they said this has been brought up in the past and that they were told by pyro that this was going to be fixed? The flaps on 109s and 190s dont deploy until well under 200. Any truth to this?

Agree on this too, if it was the case IRL.  Don't know myself, but several ppl above seem to know.

[phookat]

Originally posted by storch
4. The MG 151/20mm HE round was equally as effective as the Hispano.

In muzzle velocity, damaging power, or both?

[ra]

2. As Grun stated you could dial in any amount of flap you desired at any speed.

Source?

3. The 190 did not tip stall at all and the 190 could hold it's own in a turnfight with the Spit IX.

Source?

Against the P47 the 190 totally dominated the engagement.

Which model of 190?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by ra


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2. As Grun stated you could dial in any amount of flap you desired at any speed.
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Source?

The 109 does not have an electric switch or knob for flaps. The flaps seem to be controlled by the wheel next to the elevator trim wheel (left side of cockpit, by the seat). Want more flaps? Turn it more. Completely analog. No preset "13 degrees, 25 degrees" stuff. Want just a little? Turn it just a little. Etc.

Completely customizable, in real life.