Author Topic: Happy national day Catalonia (Read 1774 times)

straffo · « **Reply #30 on:** September 11, 2004, 10:13:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
more smileys please, its such a happy day

the purpose of the thread was to insult cornhole, I am just re-directing it

I know what I did post no need to repost it ,notice I wrote history of the Franc not France.

beet1e · « **Reply #31 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:05:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Very poor form. I changed the title though. The previous title just wreaked of flame bait.

Incredibly insensitive beet.

Well I am surprised. Could have been worse though. All I did was to point out that Sept 11 is a significant date in Spanish history. 911 (2001) was bad for Britain too - I believe about 100 Brits were killed in the WTC.

As to Catalonia, it was a fierce struggle. I do believe (and Daniel might want to correct me) that the four red stripes on the flag represent blood trails made by the four fingers of a dying man as he reached out to a yellow cloth or wall.

But hey, the US has celebrated July 4 since 1776 - why should celebrations of the liberation of Catalunya be muted or gagged just because it happened on Sept.11 (1714)?

I think Europeans have different ways of dealing with grief/bereavement. Sure, 911 2001 was bad. But life goes on. Let's not forget the rest of the world...

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #32 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:17:59 AM »

Beetle.

the only thing you really accomplished here was to show that you have all of the worst qualities you charge all Americans with. Why don't you do yourself a favor and go through this thread with an open mind and use it as a growing experience.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:21:01 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Well I am surprised. Could have been worse though. All I did was to point out that Sept 11 is a significant date in Spanish history. 911 (2001) was bad for Britain too - I believe about 100 Brits were killed in the WTC.

As to Catalonia, it was a fierce struggle. I do believe (and Daniel might want to correct me) that the four red stripes on the flag represent blood trails made by the four fingers of a dying man as he reached out to a yellow cloth or wall.

But hey, the US has celebrated July 4 since 1776 - why should celebrations of the liberation of Catalunya be muted or gagged just because it happened on Sept.11 (1714)?

I think Europeans have different ways of dealing with grief/bereavement. Sure, 911 2001 was bad. But life goes on. Let's not forget the rest of the world...

Nonsense. The title of the orginal thread was pure BS and pure flamebait and you knew it. Dont try to weazel out of it..

Imagine how a Spanish message board would take a thread called:

"March 11, Rejoice!!!"

Or a Polish board:

"September 1, Rejoice!"

Or a Russian Board

"June 22, Rejoice!"

Then finally an American board:

"September 11, Rejoice!"

What you wrote in that thread title was incredibly stupid, insesnsitive and callous. None of it was made better by the cryptic post with only a flag picture in it.. Your weak attemts now to explain it away are just pathetic and wrong.

Just admit that you screwed up and move on...

AKIron · « **Reply #34 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:29:24 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Nope. Just pointing out that the US does not have exclusive rights to depict September 11 as a black day. Of course, it WAS a black day - in 2001. But Spain remembers that date for another, and no less valid, reason. Just because it was centuries ago, and in another part of the world, in no way detracts from that day's historical significance. It marked the end of a war in which many more than 3000 died.

That region of Spain has its own language, still in active use today.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Catalonia

So, if I were to do a search of your posts I'd find many national day congratulatory messages on days other than the one Americans so painfully remember? If this is true then I hold you blameless. If it's not true then perhaps you'd be better received by posting your congratulatory message on a Catalonian BBS rather than lecture us here on an American BBS about our non-ownership of this day.

Otto · « **Reply #35 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:30:38 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e

Sure, 911 2001 was bad. But life goes on. Let's not forget the rest of the world...

But you make it so easy......

anonymous · « **Reply #36 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:41:39 AM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Well I am surprised. Could have been worse though. All I did was to point out that Sept 11 is a significant date in Spanish history. 911 (2001) was bad for Britain too - I believe about 100 Brits were killed in the WTC.

As to Catalonia, it was a fierce struggle. I do believe (and Daniel might want to correct me) that the four red stripes on the flag represent blood trails made by the four fingers of a dying man as he reached out to a yellow cloth or wall.

But hey, the US has celebrated July 4 since 1776 - why should celebrations of the liberation of Catalunya be muted or gagged just because it happened on Sept.11 (1714)?

I think Europeans have different ways of dealing with grief/bereavement. Sure, 911 2001 was bad. But life goes on. Let's not forget the rest of the world...

respect is earned and goes both ways. i gurantee that if england or any other country had a similar tragic day and a bunch of brits posted "dont forget" not one american would do anything along the lines of what you did. if the russians lost all those kids on the fourth of july the americans would be posting about the kids in a show of solidarity. if daniel had mentioned "hey by the way you guys probably dont know this but sept 11th is my countrys independence day-what are the odds?" hed get nothing but congratulations. who the hell are you to tell people to move on. the anniversary isnt that big of a deal to me either but id never think it my place to tell people to move on. im not their dad or their counselor. im just some guy they type to on the internet. what makes you so different?

beet1e · « **Reply #37 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:46:19 AM »

Grunherz - I'm not weazling out of anything. I have done nothing wrong. I pointed out that Sept.11 is an important day in Spanish/Catalunyan history, and is indeed a public holiday. I spent a couple of weeks in that region in 2002, and those flags are everywhere. My brother was with me and, being a bit of a political historian, explained the conflict, and the origins of the Catalan language etc.

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Originally posted by AKIron
If it's not true then perhaps you'd be better received by posting your congratulatory message on a Catalonian BBS rather than lecture us here on an American BBS about our non-ownership of this day.

Iron, it's NOT "an American BBS". OK, the servers may be located in the US, but as Skuzzy/HTC have pointed out in the past, and in case you hadn't noticed, we are an international community, with posters and players from perhaps as many as 40 different countries. As Daniel/CyranoAH has observed, further up ^ Catalunya's celebrations have been buried by the 2001 events. What is wrong with noting that OTHER events occurred on that date?

anonymous · « **Reply #38 on:** September 11, 2004, 11:49:16 AM »

hey beetle if youre not from Catalonia why dont you get daniel to fill us in on the history. you brought it up wed like to hear about the story behind Catalonia and its national day more than wed like to hear your sage advice that people "move on". nothing personal.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #39 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:08:27 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Grunherz - I'm not weazling out of anything. I have done nothing wrong. I pointed out that Sept.11 is an important day in Spanish/Catalunyan history, and is indeed a public holiday. I spent a couple of weeks in that region in 2002, and those flags are everywhere. My brother was with me and, being a bit of a political historian, explained the conflict, and the origins of the Catalan language etc. Iron, it's NOT "an American BBS". OK, the servers may be located in the US, but as Skuzzy/HTC have pointed out in the past, and in case you hadn't noticed, we are an international community, with posters and players from perhaps as many as 40 different countries. As Daniel/CyranoAH has observed, further up ^ Catalunya's celebrations have been buried by the 2001 events. What is wrong with noting that OTHER events occurred on that date?

That clearly wasn't the point of your post.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:15:12 PM »

BS Beetle, the title of this thread was pure flamebait and your post indicated nothing about the content or context. Before you say anything, you even admit yourself that you had to be educated on the topic by your historian friend during a trip the region yet you expect people on this board to undertand it all that history and meaning, not to mention decipher your intent just by seeing a flag that is resonably unfamiliar to 99% of the peple in this world. All on September 11, on a board that is mostly read by americans...

All that with the thread title...

"September 11, rejoice!!!"

Nonsense. It's even more pathetic and callous that you refuse to admit any error or offer an apology.

Martlet · « **Reply #41 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:16:34 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Grunherz - I'm not weazling out of anything. I have done nothing wrong. I pointed out that Sept.11 is an important day in Spanish/Catalunyan history, and is indeed a public holiday. I spent a couple of weeks in that region in 2002, and those flags are everywhere. My brother was with me and, being a bit of a political historian, explained the conflict, and the origins of the Catalan language etc. Iron, it's NOT "an American BBS". OK, the servers may be located in the US, but as Skuzzy/HTC have pointed out in the past, and in case you hadn't noticed, we are an international community, with posters and players from perhaps as many as 40 different countries. As Daniel/CyranoAH has observed, further up ^ Catalunya's celebrations have been buried by the 2001 events. What is wrong with noting that OTHER events occurred on that date?

It's all about intent. Your intent was to be a jerk.

Wotan · « **Reply #42 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:19:11 PM »

Over on AGW Beetle used to refer to the folks in AH as “stunninghunks High".

Folks over looked it for the most part and gave him a decent welcome. Since then he has proven who the true stunninghunk is.

His post isn’t to info us "Ignorant American's" of what Sept 11 means to Catalonians. I am sure if I did a search I could find many other historical occurrences that took place on Sept 11. As a matter of fact my aunt was burn on Sept. 11.

"How dare you Ami idiots not recognize that and instead choose to remember the 3000 people who died. You stupid bastards you don't own Sept. 11."

He is just here stirring the pot and going out of his way to offend just because he can.

Tumor · « **Reply #43 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:37:43 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Yes, we do. And he speaks at least three languages fluently, probably four or more.

The American reaction reminds me of one of the Star Trek movies. Kirk and a few of the other guys were trying to decipher a mysterious signal that was being transmitted to Earth. They couldn't make head or tail of it. But then Mr. Spock, who had kept his silence till then, explained that the signal would sound different underwater, and that the signal was not directed at the human population, but to whales in the oceans. His one word assessment for why the rest of the (human) crew aboard ship had failed to realise that the signal was not intended for humans was "arrogance".

This coming from a Brit lol

Thrawn · « **Reply #44 on:** September 11, 2004, 12:40:21 PM »

I don't get it. Where are all the "Off Topic" posts for everyone that's trying to talk about the WTC attacks in a thread about Catalonia's National day?