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Offline 2Hawks

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2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
« on: September 11, 2004, 10:50:13 AM »
I would like to thank everyone over the last 2.5 years for the wonderful Combat Sim game time.

Up until recently, it's been incredible fun. However, as I am sure you have all read numerous posts on. This ENY thing. It's just not cutting it.

If I was playing a game of baseball, say for the Mariners. If the Angels showed up with half a team, we would not be expected to play with wiffle balls and no mits, while the Angels were given regular balls and mits to use.  The same goes, that if I am playing for the Mariners, I am certainly not going to switch sides so the Angels can have a full balance team.

HTC, if you cater to whiners, you will have whiners for customers, they will never be happy, and may very well drive you to drink.  I will check in on AH to see hows it's changed from time to time. but for now, it's adieu.

It has really been fun. But recently, it's become more entertaining to make suicide runs in my G-10 of F4U-1 just too see how long it takes 5 La7's, and 5 Ponies to catch up and squander my virtual Life. You can't even strategize for the disparity of performance.

Dan.

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2004, 11:21:47 AM »
Sad to see you go bud. You did alot of favors for me as far as internet things go and helped me out with advise from time to time when I needed it about these damned machines called PCs'.

Not to mention the fact that it was a real joy to fly with you when you flew with the Muppets.

One things certain. If the game isnt fun for you anymore, it makes no sense to continue to play it. Maybe a break is all that is needed to get that itch again to fly.

Its this trend in the game, the trend of good players walking away from the game one after another that is going to kill it for me.

They are the ones, players like  you, 2hawk and quite a few others, that have made the game what it is for me today. Saddly, they are all leaving. Most of my squad now plays in another sim. And even after dam near begging them to come back to AH and fly and give it another try they just dont want to anymore. These are the same squadies that used to be on for hours and hours on end, winging, flying, fighting, joking, and having fun.

So what good has come out of regulatory things such as the eny system now in place? Its there only to cater to the newer players of AH, the ones who dont know how to fend for them selves yet and dont want to take the time to learn how to do so. To pretect them at a time when they are most vulnerable. When the odds are against them and they are lost in the virtual skies, alone, and helpless.  
Rather than taking the time to look around the map and find a good fight, or find some guys to wing up with to counter a larger crowd of players, the fly into it, alone, and die. Thus the whinning begins.


Like I've said before. Change is never easy. But these kinds of changes are imposible to stomach and make it even harder to continue to hang around and have fun.
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Re: 2.5 Years of AH. Time to hang it up...
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2004, 11:31:03 AM »
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If I was playing a game of baseball, say for the Mariners. If the Angels showed up with half a team, we would not be expected to play with wiffle balls and no mits, while the Angels were given regular balls and mits to use.  The same goes, that if I am playing for the Mariners, I am certainly not going to switch sides so the Angels can have a full balance team.


Absolutely correct, but not for the point you intended.  Fair play and side balancing is such a key and fundamental issue in baseball (actually in all sports) that under those circumstances you would in fact not be allowed to play AT ALL.

That being said, enjoy your break - everyone gets burn-out from time to time.

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2004, 11:40:02 AM »
Big Hylandr

Hope to see you again one day back in the game. Was an honor fighting with you from way back in the early days.
Who knows, maybe they'll fix the game and all the guys will come back and we'll have one he11 of a party!

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2004, 11:43:52 AM »
Hylandr leaving the squad?  Hate to see you go since you just came back to the squad but good luck.  I will be doing the same thing at the end of this month.  My reason is not only for the ENY but if their really thinking about more things to hinder one side to make it better for the other, then so be it.  Good luck to you sir and hope you the best.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2004, 12:55:28 PM »
Hylandr.  Hate to see you go, but hope to see you back soon.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2004, 01:06:24 PM »
2Hawks .... hate to see you go. But I see a flaw in the philosophy presented in this "I hereby publicly quit over the ENY restriction system. HT, if you give into whiners, all you'll have is whiners. If things change back to the way I personally like it best then I may consider returning." post.

No offense but it looked like the "Lil Lord Fauntleroy" factor, buddy. JMO, though.

Good luck and have fun going and doing whatever you intend to go and do.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2004, 01:28:43 PM »
Arlo, that is hardly close to what he was saying.

There is nothing wrong with leaving and giving your reasons as to why one leaves. Not saying you think this way, im just saying is all. :)

People *****ed and moaned about hordes, numbers, not being able to get a kill because of the massive hordes. Not being able to take bases because of the massive hordes. Not being able to have fun because of the massive hordes.

And during all that complaining, no one did a single thing (I am talking about the players now) to change the situation. If they wanted a more "even" fight or arena for that matter, they could have gotten some of their people to switch sides and help "balance" things out a bit. But as it was people remained pathedicly loyal to their beloved chess peice and continued to squeal like stuck pigs about how everything just wasnt fair.

Sooner or later they would have switched sides. Orgainzed missions, dones something, anything to counter odds against them. I dont agree in the slightest with this ENY thing. I hate it. But no one else was going to do anything so HT did. We made out beds now we got to sleep in them.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2004, 02:09:58 PM »
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Arlo, that is hardly close to what he was saying.

 


Morph ... that's exactly what he was saying (whether he meant to or not). It CAN be accurately paraphrased to:

1: I don't personally like the ENY restriction system.

2: HT, if you give into whiners then the game is full of nothing but whiners.

3: I'm quitting the game but I'm going to monitor it and see if you fix it back to the way I want it and if you do I may come back.

He can quit if he wants to. He can give whatever reason (or not) he wants to. But he runs the risk of having his reasoning questioned when he publically states reasons and philosophies that conflict. It smacks of the same whine-leveraging he's accusing HT of caving in to.

I bear no animosity toward 2Hawks ... but I'm not gonna sit back and let him make this kind of post without at least a response dealing with the hypocricy it obviously contains.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2004, 02:19:50 PM by Arlo »

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2004, 02:39:45 PM »
I realized that argument might be presented as I wrote it.

But ultimatly, I feel it's rather rude to up and leave a bunch of freinds without even saying goodbye or say why it's time to leave.  It gets to a point when you are used to seeing certain people in the game all the time, that when a person vanishes without a trace, his freinds begin to wonder if everything is ok back in the real world for them.

Just for the record, I don't believe I will be back at all. regardless of what HTC does with the game.  I realize I am one person, but I am one person who has paid and played for a long time. It has been my experience that people who whine and moan about htis or that will NEVER be happy, and will eventually leave after a few weeks, maybe months.

If I can do any service to HTC with feedback why I am leaving then I feel I would have contributed. For the same reason he has a survey for new pilots when they join the MA for the first time.

I feel AH had it's limelight in AH1.  I will be installing AH1 and flying Head to Head over VPN Wan connections in LAN mode. if anyone is interested, lemmie know.

Dan.

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2004, 02:41:01 PM »
In that case, take care .... friend.

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2004, 04:28:14 PM »
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Morph ... that's exactly what he was saying (whether he meant to or not). It CAN be accurately paraphrased to:

1: I don't personally like the ENY restriction system.

2: HT, if you give into whiners then the game is full of nothing but whiners.

3: I'm quitting the game but I'm going to monitor it and see if you fix it back to the way I want it and if you do I may come back.

 


Arlo, you are over looking things here. I shouldnt and wont say anything more after this.

But if the game is tailored to people who ***** and moan about everything. Hylandr is right, sooner or later you are going to have a game filled with whinners because they know that if they whine enough, they will get what they want. Like children.

There is nothing wrong with Hylandr coming back to AH from time to time to check out the scene, and see if maybe some things that he didnt like about the game have gone away.

He wasnt offering HT an ultimatum, he was simply stating where he stood and why.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2004, 04:37:31 PM »
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But if the game is tailored to people who ***** and moan about everything. Hylandr is right, sooner or later you are going to have a game filled with whinners because they know that if they whine enough, they will get what they want. Like children.



Litmus test.

What is the loudest whine currently on the bbs? :)

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2004, 04:46:06 PM »
very cute arlo.

Involving you in a converstaion is like inserting a red hot poker in your eye. Its always going to be a bumb bellybutton thing to do.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2004, 04:56:08 PM »
Gawsh, MoRpHy .... 2Hawks certainly didn't get as offended as you seem to be gettin'. Good for him .... no real offense was meant. But if you're gonna take it ... well hey.