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Offline Scherf

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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2004, 04:37:01 PM »
This all raises an interesting question - will AH ever be open to player add-on aircraft and vehicles, in the same way as maps and skins?

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2004, 04:46:59 PM »
I doubt so.
Add-ons like in CFS usually look OK, but the flight characteristics vary very much too much!
Hoever, that is of course all technically possible,,,,and programmable, and filterable etc.....
Interesting idea.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2004, 06:02:51 PM »
Hi Angus,

>Add-ons like in CFS usually look OK, but the flight characteristics vary very much too much!

Well, it might be organisationally possible to maintain gameplay integrity by admitting player-made aircraft to the MA only after being (if necessary) finetuned and then cleared by Hitech Creations, and perhaps confining them to a test arena before that.

However, I believe a simulation engine probably would have to be designed for easy extensibility from the ground up.

That's why I love X-Plane :-) I actually have a Whirlwind model flying in X-Plane which I like quite well, though admittedly my best efforts resulted in a rather crude crate compared to the professionally fiinished Microsoft add-on :-)

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Henning (HoHun)
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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2004, 03:46:15 PM »
Hiya HoHun:

Something you said intrigued me - "first escort fighter over the Reich". As in, over German territory? I didn't think it had the range.

Details, details!

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Scherf
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2004, 10:30:01 AM »
IIRC the Whirlwind after the Blitz ended, was used for tactical raids on ports as far away as Norway, until the Mossie was fully deployed in 1943.  So this plane would have at least the range to the north German coast and back.  I would assume these bomber raids it served on as escorts were daylight raids and I don't recall reading about any such.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2004, 04:02:44 PM »
Hi Scherf,

>Something you said intrigued me - "first escort fighter over the Reich". As in, over German territory? I didn't think it had the range.

>Details, details!

OK. After a lot of searching, I found the "Combat Aircraft" August/September 1997 issue, which featured an article on the Whirlwind. Quoting:

"Whirlwinds adopted yet another new role in 12 August [1941], 14 aircraft from No. 263 Squadron forming part of the fighter escort for a force of 54 Blenheims which attacked power stations at Köln."

Note that it doesn't say the Whirlwind actually escorted the Blenheims to Cologne, which is what how I understood this article when I read it seven years ago.

Manston-Cologne is 250 miles each way, and Profile Vol. 2 No. 14 quotes 57 gph fuel consumption for the Whirlwind in the cruise at 12000 ft, which with a 134 Imp. gal. fuel tank means it might have been possible for the Whirlwinds to reach Reich territory and return to England.

So I can't rule it out that the Whirlwinds actually got to Germany like I thought they did. If they did, their pilots probably were as nervous about their fuel as the Me 109 pilots had been over London ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
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Offline Scherf

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2004, 04:47:57 PM »
Thanks for that HoHun. Heheheh, might put some noses seriously out of joint if the Whirly did indeed get to German territory...

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Scherf
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2004, 06:30:16 PM »
Think those noses will be out of joint after all - there is a post over on the IL-2 boards with a scan which indicates that the Whirlys  did indeed escort bombers as far as Cologne.

In the raid you're referring to above, they turned back at Antwerp, however on a later raid they did go Köln.

If I weren't a dedicated Mossie-man, I'd be developing a new hobby about now...

Cheers,

Scherf
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2004, 05:20:18 PM »
Hi Scherf,

>Think those noses will be out of joint after all - there is a post over on the IL-2 boards with a scan which indicates that the Whirlys  did indeed escort bombers as far as Cologne.

Thanks for the heads-up! What's the URL of that board? I tried to find it with Google but got lots of misirecting hits.

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Henning (HoHun)
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Offline Scherf

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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2004, 12:37:55 AM »
Hi HoHun

The link in my window is:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?q=Y&a=frm&s=400102&f=23110283&p=1

You might have to register to see it.

The Whirlwind thread is down on page 6 now.

Cheers,

Scherf
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