Author Topic: What kind of a sissy would fly a "perk" plane? (Read 995 times)

lazs · « **Reply #45 on:** January 10, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »

those who would use the 202 vs P51 comparison to justify the perk planes are missing the fundamental point of arena balance in my opinion. The 202 is not as fast as the 51 but it will outturn and ouclimb it handily. For some people the 202 (the absolute bottom of the barrel fighter in AH) will be a better (suited)plane for them.. In the perk idea... Several of the perk planes that i have seen mentioned do everything better than other planes they are the best choice for anyone.

Simply because I can avoid a perk plane by being diligent (assuming that i can even tell what kind of plane it is) does not negate the unbalancing factor. I will not enjoy being constantly "it" for the new AH version of dodgeball.

The more unbalanced an arena is the less fun it is for the majority.

Back to the original question tho.... What kind of victory is a victory in a "perk" plane? Not much of a one I say.
lazs

Midnight · « **Reply #46 on:** January 10, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs:
Seriously... what kind of a dipshit would fly a perk plane....

First... Laz why are you always posting things in such a negative manner? You are always whining about something.

Second... When I earn my perk plane, your damned right I am going to fly it and I will enjoy the hell out of it.

Third... I would rather fight a single F4U-4 than two F4U-1Cs. Be real. How many perk planes do you think you will see at any one time?

I can fly my P-51D in and out of any fight I want, whenever I want. If I make a mistake, then I am vunerable and if I die because of it, such is life.

In this world, there will always be someone bigger, smarter, faster, stonger. Any of those traits can be an assest or liability, depending on the situation. A real man learns to expliot the other's liabilities while enhancing his own assests. Be a man, quit being wishy-washy and you will do just fine.

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Midnight
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Apache · « **Reply #47 on:** January 10, 2001, 11:24:00 AM »

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I would rather fight a single F4U-4 than two F4U-1Cs.

Why?

Tac · « **Reply #48 on:** January 10, 2001, 11:41:00 AM »

"its just a matter of the pilot's acm skills and how he uses his plane.
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How is this different from the N1K2 and Chog?"

The keyword there, since you seem to have missed it, is SKILL. Any moron can get up in a chog, stall and spray. All that they need is one ping. Those that take off in a N1k (and those that will soon migrate to it after the chog is perked) will be even worse 'cause that plane is really hard to stall.

Skill as in get into someone's 6 and get a good clean shot. Not spray at d1.1 and get "the" ping o' death. I bet that if those that flew chogs now flew the d-hog, things would be MUCH more different. Its the same dang airplane, but its the guns that make the difference. A dhog spraying .50's at d1.1 wont get 20% of the kills in the MA, you can be sure of that. Kinda funny to see people whine about the CHOG's being perked, they still have the D-Hog...same plane, different guns (but just as deadly.. except that .50's force them to ACM for a change).

"I would rather fight a single F4U-4 than two F4U-1Cs."

I would fight TWO F4U-4's than one chog. Those F4U-4's will have to get on MY 6 and ACM me to death rather than spray turbolaser around

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Mayhem · « **Reply #49 on:** January 10, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »

Hell Ive been ripped apart by a good burst of 50cal just as I have from a burst canon. I hate to say it but 50cals are made for spray and pray with a faster flater trajectory and more ammo. with the f4u1c and N1k2 i find it that you have to place your shots to get kills get some nasty lag (witch is abotu as close as your going to get to putting me into spray and pray mode) Iam lucky to get more then 1 kill sometimes I even depleate all my ammo due to lag just to injur someones plane. Iam willing to bet alot of those f4u1c pilots will either pay the perk price while others will move to the f4u1d n1k2-j and the typhoon. the best thing about the f4u1c is that it is the only fully canon equipt Carrier Aircraft. Its best suited for Asualting air fields. just remember if you take it away from one you take it from all. least my bases will feel a little safer. but if you think meating a f4u1c in the air is bad wait till you get jumped by a hoard of n1k2-js. You know I agree lets get the f4u4c in here I'll take it as a perk ride. its a perfected f4u1c so it should ee a little faster a little more manuverable had combat flaps and had a dive break (opened gear doors without fully extending the landing gear.) It carried more ordanance and more ammo then the f4u1c. cool bring it on I'll sacrafice my Chog for that baby!!!! even if it is a low coast perk ride!!!.

another thing if it is perked and pyro keeps the cost of it down to 1 or 2 points I can buy a hundred of them and still get enough points per flight just to buy more.

(I still think the f4u1d is better for Air to air and specially if you have an accuracy problem)

and I always have my n1k2-j that jek absolutley hates!

I can't wait. The crying will be so bad it will sound like a choir!!! LOL.

why don't you just learn to beet it sounds alot simpler to me then what most the cry babies are sugesting.

And if you use the "well I have no problem beating the f4u1c" excuse then why the hell are you crying about it? If it's so dam easy for you to kill then just kill it rather then whine about. Its no uberplane it has some really nasty weaknesses if you can learn exploit them. hell If the entire dam MA decided to fly a plane I can kill easily I'de have a freakin field day. hell I'de have enough freaking perk points I can buy myself an airforce

BTW TAC IF you would stop trying to HO the chogs you might not die as often.
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Ripsnort · « **Reply #50 on:** January 10, 2001, 12:21:00 PM »

FYI: Drex hit me at D900 yards with .50 cal in the finals of the Con Duel, thus taking one of my 2 engines out on my P38..., so to think that long range shots are gonna be gone when the C-hog is gone is like living in a cave.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #51 on:** January 10, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »

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The keyword there, since you seem to have missed it, is SKILL. Any moron can get up in a chog, stall and spray. All that they need is one ping. Those that take off in a N1k (and those that will soon migrate to it after the chog is perked) will be even worse 'cause that plane is really hard to stall.

Sigh...

I don't worry about the chog/N1K2 pilots you are describing here. I have not noticed them to be a problem. Its the skilled pilots that are inflating the stats. Truth be told.. those pilots are going to inflate the stats for whatever aircraft they move on to.

Now, we will have perk planes. Everyone in the arena will be able to have these at some time. What factor is being changed? What about the perk planes will require more ACM and more skill? They will be faster and better armed than the planes currently in the arena. What will make them better/easier to deal with?

Anyone arguing that dealing with 4 Chogs is too much of a pain should really tell everyone what plane you would prefer to deal with 4 of. I'm very curious as to what that might be. When jumping into a furball with 30 planes of wich 8 are F4u-1Cs, I don't focus only on the 1Cs knowing the rest are not a threat. In the current furball that is the MA... everything is a threat.

I also like the assumption that the ACM(or lack of) in regards to the F4u-1C pilots is strictly their responsibility. Afterall... ACM (or lack there of) had nothing to do with why your airplane ended up in front of theirs in the first place.

The plane doesn't make the pilot act like a dweeb. The pilot will be the same dweeb no matter what he is flying... perked or not.

AKDejaVu

lazs · « **Reply #52 on:** January 10, 2001, 12:57:00 PM »

midnite... thank you for your thoughtfull advise and consul on the complexities of life. Even tho it has nothing whatsoever to do with a GAME and even though it was at best.... inane.. I appreciate the effort.

now... about this here game that we all pay the same to play..

I don't know how many perk planes will be in the arena at any one time but I suspect that at least 10% of the players will have them at all times. Some squadies of mine have close to 2,000 perk points so far. If others have only managed to accumulate 50 or so.... See a problem yet?

In any case... I can't imagine anyone being pleased at being killed by a "perk" plane especially in light of the total trauma caused now by something as inofensive as the chog. Is there a better way to create animosity in the arena than the perk system? If there is I can't think of it.

Can you imagine the buffer? "I am honored that your dash four would dain to kill my lowly P51. Thank you sir" or maybe just.. "thank you for showing me what it was really like to be on the toejamty end of the suypply line in WWII" or.... "well.. I'm sure you would have killed me in any plane anyway since you had the skill to earn the points to be in that uber plane".
lazs

hblair · « **Reply #53 on:** January 10, 2001, 01:06:00 PM »

Rip, The P51 you're talking about is a completely different plane than we have now, you remember the FM change you sly dawg.

Did drex pop you with the .50's or the cannon? I've took long distance hits from him, and you and I both know that even the above average fighter pilot in Aces High doesn't have drex's aim.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #54 on:** January 10, 2001, 01:14:00 PM »

They were .50's hblair. I think this is from the con finals or semifinalls. I have the video from both sides of the fight laying around somewhere.

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #55 on:** January 10, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »

Wrong Hblair, Con was Post-1.04. Same FM as we have now.

We were both in P38's, had he not killed the left engine, I'da won, hammar head stall scenario...

(Didn't even expect to be in the finals, so, hey, I was happy!)

Here's the film, note that at the top of both our stalls, my left engine starts to feather...>< close, dang it!
http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/duel2.ZIP

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Karnak · « **Reply #56 on:** January 10, 2001, 01:32:00 PM »

Lazs,
I will fly a perk plane because my long standing favorite kite will be a perk plane.

If all F4Us were perk planes, you'd fly a perk too I wager.

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Wlfgng · « **Reply #57 on:** January 10, 2001, 01:36:00 PM »

yeah that damned Drex

hate seeing him as my opponent in ANY plane.

hblair · « **Reply #58 on:** January 10, 2001, 02:09:00 PM »

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Wrong Hblair, Con was Post-1.04. Same FM as we have now.

Damno Rip, you already forgot posting this?

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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Does anyone remember what plane got more than 20% of the kills in V.44? P51D Mustang. Guess it's turn to be perked will be coming soon after N1K and C-Hog are perked.

That P51's flight model was changed, it used to be a great turner. Surely you remember that.

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #59 on:** January 10, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »

OH!~ I thought you were talking in response to the 2 vs 2 duel at the con...LOL...was wondering what someone slipped into your Coca-cola! hehehe!

So, that proves my point, FM is what made that A/C so attractive, as the 4x20mm makes the C-Hog so attractive...they'll just slip into the next 'Dweeb-mobile'...