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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/business/yourmoney/12view.html?ei=5006&en=662be44cd0308d8f&ex=1095652800&partner=ALTAVISTA1&pagewanted=print&position=

For instance, they said, the unemployment rate in the Clinton administration averaged 5.2 percent, only three-tenths of a percentage point less than it has under George W. Bush. But while 44 percent of Mr. Clinton's headlines on unemployment were positive, only 23 percent of President Bush's headlines on the subject have been upbeat.
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CNN article from 1996
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The Economy -
GW's 1st three years versus Clinton's 1st three years:

Unemployment Rate -
Jan 2004: 5.6% (After GWBush's 1st three years)
Change in rate from prior year (Jan '03-'04): 0.3%, Decrease

Jan 1996: 5.6% (After Bill Clinton's 1st three years)
Change in rate from prior year (Jan '95-'96): 0.0%, No change

* The Unemployement Rate is the same after GWBush's 1st three years as it was after Bill Clinton's 1st three years.
* The Unemployment rate steadily declined in the third year with GWBush while it remained unchanged in Bill Clinton's third year.

Poverty Rate For Families (Two-Year Average) -
2001-2002: 9.40% (GWBush's 1st two years)
1993-1994: 12.95% (Clinton's 1st two years)
1993-2000: 10.50% (Average for Clinton's full eight years)

* The % of families living in poverty is lower after two years under GWBush than after two years under Bill Clinton - even lower than 7 out of 8 of Clinton's years in office.

Percent of People Below 50 Percent of Poverty Level (Two-Year Average) -
2001-2002: 4.95% (GWBush's 1st two years)
1993-1994: 6.05% (Clinton's 1st two years)
1993-2000: 5.31% (Average for Clinton's full eight years)

* The % of people living in deep poverty is lower after two years under GWBush than after two years under Bill Clinton - even lower than the average across Clinton's entire TWO terms of office... AND lower than ANY of Clinton's 1st six years in office.

Homeownership Rate -
GWBush's 1st three years:
4th Quarter 2000: 67.5% (before GWBush)
4th Quarter 2003: 68.6% (after 3 years of GWBush)
Difference: +1.1%

Bill Clinton's 1st three years:
4th Quarter 1992: 64.4% (before Clinton)
4th Quarter 1995: 65.1% (after 3 years of Clinton)
Difference: +0.7%

* The Homeownership Rate is higher under GWBush's 1st three years than under Bill Clinton's 1st three years.
* The Homeownership Rate grew MORE in the 1st three years with GWBush than in the 1st three years with Bill Clinton.

Inflation Rate -
GWBush's 1st three years:
Jan 2001: 3.73% (before GWBush)
Jan 2004: 1.93% (after 3 years of GWBush)
Difference: 1.8% Decrease

Bill Clinton's 1st three years:
Jan 1993: 3.26% (before Clinton)
Jan 1996: 2.73% (after 3 years of Clinton)
Difference: 0.53% Decrease

* The Inflation Rate is lower after three years of GWBush than it was after Bill Clinton's first three years.
* The Inflation Rate declined over three times greater under GWBush than under Bill Clinton.

In July 1996, Unemployment Rate Rose From 5.3% To 5.5%. (U.S. Bureau Of Labor Statistics Website, Accessed 8/7/04)
In July 2004, Unemployment Rate Fell From 5.6% To 5.5%. (U.S. Bureau Of Labor Statistics Website, Accessed 8/7/04)
http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2004, 10:55:42 AM »
I'll go ahead and answer for our board democrats since they'll avoid this thread like the plague.(exception: drive-by's ^^)

The "Media" then, probably is not the same personal that does that specific job today. ;) ;)

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2004, 11:28:57 AM »
Can we stop the Purple Hijack of the thread.

Thread has been viewed 58 times and all we get is Purple helmet warrior post.  

geeesh.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2004, 11:31:21 AM »
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Can we stop the Purple Hijack of the thread.


Well, in his defense, we won't lure any democrats into a thread that has facts based upon data that they cannot argue other than the atypical responses like  "Well, my brother doesn't have a job yet!".

SO maybe alittle thread diversity is what we need to get them to discuss this wonderful economy we've been experiencing and that they've evidently chosen to ignore?
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2004, 11:31:35 AM »
What about learning  Statistic ?

You're all managers or what ?


Exemple (picked randomly) :
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Homeownership Rate -
GWBush's 1st three years:
4th Quarter 2000: 67.5% (before GWBush)
4th Quarter 2003: 68.6% (after 3 years of GWBush)
Difference: +1.1%



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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2004, 11:36:12 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well, in his defense, we won't lure any democrats into a thread that has facts based upon data that they cannot argue other than the atypical responses like  "Well, my brother doesn't have a job yet!".

SO maybe alittle thread diversity is what we need to get them to discuss this wonderful economy we've been experiencing and that they've evidently chosen to ignore?
:eek:



You are right about it being ignored, You mention the economy anywhere near MT and others and all you get is "Clinton's longest running Eco growth in history" rant.
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2004, 11:36:54 AM »
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Originally posted by straffo
What about learning  Statistic ?

You're all managers or what ?


Exemple (picked randomly) :




You left out something.

Homeownership Rate -
GWBush's 1st three years:
4th Quarter 2000: 67.5% (before GWBush)
4th Quarter 2003: 68.6% (after 3 years of GWBush)
Difference: +1.1%

Bill Clinton's 1st three years:
4th Quarter 1992: 64.4% (before Clinton)
4th Quarter 1995: 65.1% (after 3 years of Clinton)
Difference: +0.7%
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2004, 11:53:36 AM »
That's not +1.1% and that's not +0.7% either.

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2004, 11:54:15 AM »
Fact is, for the most part, you picked the first three years of both in office to compare.

Problem with that, is that those years were inherited by the previous person in office.

What were the last years of Clinton in office like when compared to Bush #2?

What were the first years of Clinton in office like when compared to the last years of Bush #1 in office?

What were the first year(s) of Bush #1 in office compared to Reagan's last year(s)?

etc.

Statistics can be played any way you want, this thread is a great example of that.

Oh, and pre-emptive typical battle cry of "handsomehunkcrat"- I am no democrat.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2004, 11:58:49 AM »
Add to that the incredible incapacity the average journalist can show when there's basic math. to do.

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2004, 12:05:55 PM »
The economy tanked in Clinton's last year. Certainly the tech stock market bubble that was driving the great late 1990s economy burst during the last year of Clinton..

That and 911 is why the economy sufferes and why the job situation is not what we remember in the late 1990s.

To be honest the tech bubble economy was ridiculous and unsupportable, especially the wages. Kids straight out of school with mininimal experience were getting 80K base salaries or more here in the late 1990s - that was simply nuts and there was no way they produced so much value to earn that kind of pay..  

And lets not even talk aboput the stock market, there were times when I was making $500+ per day on my small investements when I was just 18 or 19 and didnt know anything..   Just nutz, it was fun, but nutz...