PLEASE! - Consider maknig a change

[Rick Opp]

Please, PLEASE! turn off the ENY system that limits the type of planes you can fly.

It is very frustrating not to be able to fly the planes that you like.

From the posts I have read, there are a lot of others that feel the same way.

The game worked before why change it.

Example:  This last weekend I was defending a Rook base where enemy planes outnumbered friendlies 3 or 4 to 1.  I could not fly anything less than I think it was 22 or 25.

The ENY limitations take the fun out of it.  Almost to the point of making me want to quit.

If the game was free it might be different but I hate paying a monthly fee and not being able to fly the planes I like.  And I shouldn't have to change sides to do it.

Stepping down from soap box.


Rick

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Rick Opp
Please, PLEASE! turn off the ENY system that limits the type of planes you can fly.

It is very frustrating not to be able to fly the planes that you like.

From the posts I have read, there are a lot of others that feel the same way.

The game worked before why change it.

Example:  This last weekend I was defending a Rook base where enemy planes outnumbered friendlies 3 or 4 to 1.  I could not fly anything less than I think it was 22 or 25.

The ENY limitations take the fun out of it.  Almost to the point of making me want to quit.

If the game was free it might be different but I hate paying a monthly fee and not being able to fly the planes I like.  And I shouldn't have to change sides to do it.

Stepping down from soap box.


Rick

This is a glaring example of why the ENY system is deeply and irrevocably flawed at its core. It does not take into consideration the disposition of forces. Just because the three countries have an equal number of people logged in does not mean the arena is balanced in terms of gameplay for each of those countries. Conversely, just because the three countries are disparate in terms of people logged in does not in any way mean the arena is in fact unblanced. The presumption of the ENY system is that forces are arrayed in equal and congruent proportion, this is RARELY the case. Often, the country with the most people is not only facing more enemy by far than the other two countries but is also being penalized in the process by the ENY system. This is a profound and deep flaw. Surely, HT, a man of logic and rational thought can comprehend how fundamentally flawed and presumptuous this system is.


Zazen

[bustr]

Just a finger in the air type gauging, but there does seem to be a greater volume of complaining after the ENY than before. I do wonder if this may be a lesson being taught by Hitech on the virtues of listening to his first polite requests to fix a major issue rather than the whine fests about issues we so dearly enjoy....??????

Hitech I have learned my lesson. But sorry if I change from nite to rook, I will only help make the problem worse.

[Shane]

Originally posted by Rick Opp
Example:  This last weekend I was defending a Rook base where enemy planes outnumbered friendlies 3 or 4 to 1.  I could not fly anything less than I think it was 22 or 25.
Rick:mad:

rick: if the eny limiter was *that* high,  there's no reason why some of your horde couldn't be bothered to defend that base.


zazen:  local odds can be changed when you have a horde on your side.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Zazen13
This is a glaring example of why the ENY system is deeply and irrevocably flawed at its core. It does not take into consideration the disposition of forces. Just because the three countries have an equal number of people logged in does not mean the arena is balanced in terms of gameplay for each of those countries. Conversely, just because the three countries are disparate in terms of people logged in does not in any way mean the arena is in fact unblanced. The presumption of the ENY system is that forces are arrayed in equal and congruent proportion, this is RARELY the case. Often, the country with the most people is not only facing more enemy by far than the other two countries but is also being penalized in the process by the ENY system. This is a profound and deep flaw. Surely, HT, a man of logic and rational thought can comprehend how fundamentally flawed and presumptuous this system is.


Zazen

Jiminy Crickets Zaz ... stop with the drama already.

Your need to over dramatise the results of the ENY system up to this point only adds fuel to the fire. You need to try to calm the masses down ... not incite riot.

"This is a glaring example of why the ENY system is deeply and irrevocably flawed at its core"

"This is a profound and deep flaw. Surely, HT, a man of logic and rational thought can comprehend how fundamentally flawed and presumptuous this system is".

Ya know ... come across as a very learned person, but it is painfully obvious that you know JACK SQAUT when it comes to programming and development. Take some night courses and when you get a couple of million lines under your belt, then speak with such drama.

Do you know for a fact that HT has done NOTHING to enhance or modify the ENY disabler ? I would bet dollars to donuts that the iteration that we see now is not his final shot at this, or he just might dump it all together.

Ya know why I would make that bet ? ... cause I have at least 8 million lines of code under my belt.

Let's be calm and wait and see what transpires within the next release or 2 before we start playing chicken little.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Shane
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zazen:  local odds can be changed when you have a horde on your side.

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Shane, dude, we aren't talking hordes here, we're talking a difference of as little as 10% between the countries being enough to eliminate a good portion of the planes from the set. Now if the country with a 20% advantage is getting penalized and is also facing 80% of the enemy from both the other countries, that my friend is a major balance issue. This scenario is quite frequent for countries in the reset corner, or those with a limited number of fields remaining. The ENY system does nothing to address ACTUAL arena balance as it impacts gameplay. Nothing, nada, zip. All it does is crank out some arbitrary penalty based on the relationship of the raw numbers of people logged on for each country.

Zazen

[Blooz]

Gotta agree.

Local superiority in numbers is always going to be there no matter what.

Valid tactics.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Jiminy Crickets Zaz ... stop with the drama already.

Your need to over dramatise the results of the ENY system up to this point only adds fuel to the fire. You need to try to calm the masses down ... not incite riot.

"This is a glaring example of why the ENY system is deeply and irrevocably flawed at its core"

"This is a profound and deep flaw. Surely, HT, a man of logic and rational thought can comprehend how fundamentally flawed and presumptuous this system is".

Ya know ... come across as a very learned person, but it is painfully obvious that you know JACK SQAUT when it comes to programming and development. Take some night courses and when you get a couple of million lines under your belt, then speak with such drama.

Do you know for a fact that HT has done NOTHING to enhance or modify the ENY disabler ? I would bet dollars to donuts that the iteration that we see now is not his final shot at this, or he just might dump it all together.

Ya know why I would make that bet ? ... cause I have at least 8 million lines of code under my belt.

Let's be calm and wait and see what transpires within the next release or 2 before we start playing chicken little.

Wonderfully easy for you to say. But, unfortunately, it is nothing more than conjecture, guesswork and wishfull thinking on your part, at this point. I will continue to voice my opinion on this issue until it is actually addressed, in-game, not in your fantasy. That is how things get changed around here apparently!?!?

Oh, and by the way, I have done quite a bit of programming, including some C++ back in my college days (mostly COBOL).

Zazen

[Rick Opp]

My original post was to let HTC know that I did not like the ENY system.  It appears that there are a lot of others that do not like it either.

I am also a programmer and I know that if my customers let me know of a problem I will fix it.  I also know that if only 1 or 2 out of 100 complain, I will be less likely do do anything about it.  I wanted to get my opinion stated.

Here is another question.....  Has anyone heard any feedback from HTC on this issue?

Perhaps an update from HTC would be appropriate.

Later
Rick

[Blammo]

Originally posted by Rick Opp
Here is another question.....  Has anyone heard any feedback from HTC on this issue?

Perhaps an update from HTC would be appropriate.

Well, to be fair, they have responded on this issue, after a fashion.  I think their position is still to watch and see what happens.  I do not know yet if this is permenant, but I do know it can be turned on and off so any reset of the arena could effectively remove it.  Since there has been a lot of chatter on the board about the ENY thingie, I don't think we can expect them to respond on each of these posts.

Just my thoughts

[SlapShot]

mostly COBOL

That is NOT programming ...

[Kev367th]

I take it that he was trying to up from a nearly vulched base?
Wouldn't have thought plane option would make much difference in that case.
Also if you were ENV limited, where were the rest of the Rooks? Obviously off doing to another base what your base was getting done to and probably with a greater than 3 or 4 to 1 advantage.
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For an ENV of 20-25, thats a lot of Rooks on compared to other lowest country.
Funny how Rooks love to gangbang other two countires, but hate it when it happens to them.
I like the ENV system, may need aircraft ENV's modified, but HT has already said that this would be done.
There's nothing 'deeply flawed', local forces will fluctuate always (even with even munbers), as is obvious in this case.
Said it once i'll say it again -
THIS IS A LONG TERM FIX NOT A MAGIC BULLET INSTANT FIX.

[2Hawks]

Originally posted by Kev367th

Said it once i'll say it again -
THIS IS A LONG TERM FIX NOT A MAGIC BULLET INSTANT FIX.

The Magick Bullet that finalized my decision to leave. It's nothing to do about programming, and everything about _Game_ play.

{Salute}

Why I have left:

[Zanth]

2hawks, your machine isn't/wasn't running the game right.  I saw those screen shots you posted.   With the artifacts and por frame rates you got I don't know how you were flying the game and enjoying it at all.   So, in reality your problems had very little to do with game design but yes, game play - as in you machine doesnt play AHII very well and that alone would frustrate anyone.

[BigFlop]

My humble opinion:

 I have only flown this game for about 6 months so I just saw the end of AH1 then the conversion to AH2 up to now.  I hear a lot of complaints from long time subscribers about the differences between the two game versions.  For the most part I have no complaints about the new version.  It is harder but it seems to be harder for everyone so that is fair.  My problem with ENY is that it doesn't fix a problem, it causes one.  Imbalance is a part of war and will always be a part of war.  This is a war game and if the attempt at realism is part of the object of the game then imbalance is a part of it.  I have flown for different sides and all I see as a difference in the experience is that I can fly what I want (and am able to fly) on some sides more than others.  All sides are affected by ENY but some are affected more often.  I do not see it evening the playing field at all.  All I see is it being another wedge to drive away long time subscribers who are already frustrated with the game change.  I just want to have fun here and fly planes that I like to fly.  Sometimes keeping it simple is the best plan of attack.  ENY overcomplicates an already complicated process.