Perk bombers.. what'll yah have?

[SKurj]

AR 240 any armed variant +)


AKskurj

[Thunder]

As long as they have Rubber Band engines I'm all for um!  
Thunder

[LJK Raubvogel]

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[Jigster]

Then I want a special neurtered version of the A-26. Weld the bays shut. Remove the turrents. Take away the menthol injection.

I'd love to learn it like the old AW Invader, but that took hundreds of deaths vs anything you can imagine to master the situation. I actually have that fear for all perk planes, if they aren't available on a ready basis, learning how engage with them is going to be a serious pain.

I suppose the A-20 would work up as a step up but I'd really really like to see at least ONE version available all the time or at least alot cheaper, then the "decked out" version...a prefered  8 gun strafer, with rocket rails only and the single upper turrent in this case, something along those lines, in the pure attack role.

It's kind of a bursted bubble for me that it's more then likely going to be perk only though. Intially I swore I would hold out of AH till the Invader arrived until the changes made to the hit shells in AW made it for the most part not worth the time anymore. And having it, but not on a regular basis, or capability to experiment with it like what is capable with the B-26 because of the perk system is going to be a serious shot in the arm till the A-20 finally comes.

But thats mostly just personal concern, yanno?

But still given the lack of defensive armament on the A-26, no matter how fast it is bombers are big and easy to hit if you can force a head-on, especially if they can't shoot back due to load status/manuverability.

Oh well, we shall see.

I'd be estatic just to have it. But if it's silver I am SOOOO gonna squeak about it. Unless it's unperked of course  

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[Sancho]

Perk bomber?  How bout Ju-88S-1 schnellbomber?  

[BUG_EAF322]

B29 it suits the terrain

would love too empty its load at high speed high alt.

should be a expensive bomber

S! chaps

[Jochen]

 

Ar-234 and A-26 seem like the obvious choices. B-29 too I guess, and the Ju-288?

I don't think Ju 288 got ever into air? But I'm pretty sure it did not fly operational sorties. Ju 388 was build but it never flew any combat sorties.

I can understand Ar 234 should be perk because it was rare and it was very fast but why A-26? It was flown in thousands and it was not that spectacular plane. Yes it has huge armament pack and it was quite fast but still... If A-26 gets perks status, so should Mossie and it is not right.

As for german perk bombers, well, not many choices apart from Ar 234. Ju 188 saw lots of action and about 1000 was produced but it's bomb load and defensice armament were not that impressive. Ju 88S-1 would be quite effective for german bomber but not spectacular if you compare it to allied bombers.

How about perking a special Lancaster able to carry Grand slam's?

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[Mayhem]

forget the bomber!
Two words.......
Nuclear Weapons!  

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[SwampRat]

B-29!!

[LaVa]

Yes Yes Yes...

Im with hang, bring in the a26, although i think the b29 is coming in next version.  

How much should/will the b29 ar224 and a26 costs....anyone want to take a stab at future values?

O BTW, a26 is a late model aircraft, i think it was a 1945 model, although i might be dead wrong.  Perk it, although make it relatively cheap.  B29----20,000lbs of fun on this hummer, not to mention a 20mm hanging out its rear end.  ar224, is a jet and i dont know the specs on it, but from the looks of it, it seems its going to be fast yet not very durable.

Anyone want to take a quess on the Perk price on these machines?

LaVa

[Jochen]

The powerplants consisted of a pair of Junkers Jumo 004B turbojets, with 900 kilograms (1,980 pounds) thrust each. Maximum speed without bombs or drop tanks was 740 KPH (460 MPH) at 6,100 meters (20,000 feet), but the speed dropped to as low as 660 KPH (410 MPH) with external loads. The prototypes had actually been a good 30 KPH faster than the Ar-234B, due to the more slender fuselage allowed by the lack of landing gear.

Tricycle landing gear was fitted. As the Ar-234 landed at high speed, it had a drag chute as standard equipment; it was one of the first aircraft to do so. The rounded nose of the aircraft was covered with plexiglas, giving the pilot an excellent view to the front, but no view to the back except through a periscope. The periscope, which was not provided in the Ar-234 prototypes, also served as a sight for dive-bombing attacks.

There was no ejector seat. The pilot got into and out of the aircraft through a transparent hatch on top of the cockpit. Getting out of the Ar-234 in an emergency was not a trivial task.

The Ar-234 handled very well at all speeds and was capable of all aerobatics. The worst operational problem was the unreliability of the Jumo 004B engines, which required overhaul or replacement after about ten hours of operation. The brakes also tended to wear out after about three landings and so had to often be replaced.

The fuel consumption of the Jumos varied widely with altitude. At 10,000 meters, it was a third of what it was at sea level. This meant that for low-altitude bombing missions, the operational radius of the aircraft was only about 190 kilometers (120 miles), while in high-altitude reconnaissance operations the range was as much as 720 kilometers (450 miles) with the drop tanks.

When operated as a bomber, the Ar-234 could be used in shallow dive attacks, low-level horizontal attacks, or high-altitude horizontal attacks. In shallow dive attacks, the pilot would drop from about 5,000 meters to under 1,500 meters, aiming the bombs through the periscopic sight that stuck up above the cockpit.

In low-level horizontal attack, used only when the target was obscured, the pilot simply flew level and dropped the bombs when it seemed appropriate. Results were not generally very impressive.

High-altitude horizontal attacks were particularly interesting. Since the Ar-234 was a single-seat aircraft, the pilot had to double as the bombardier, and did so with the help of a sophisticated Patin autopilot system. The pilot would fly to within about 30 kilometers of the target, engage the autopilot, swivel the control column out of his way to the right, and then lean over and sight the target through the Lotfe 7K bombsight.

The bombsight was linked to the autopilot. As long as the pilot held the target in the crosshairs, the autopilot would change the aircraft's heading accordingly, and then the bombsight would automatically drop the bombs at the right moment.

In principle, the Ar-234B had a pair of fixed rearward-firing 20-millimeter guns for protecting its tail, with the pilot sighting the guns through the periscope. Not only did the pilot have to be his own bombardier, he was his own tail gunner as well. However, in practice the guns were not always fitted and were never an important feature of the aircraft.

* The Luftwaffe conducted reconnaissance operations with the new Ar-234Bs through the fall, including some reconnaissance missions over England, beginning in October, to determine if the Allies were preparing a follow-up amphibious landing in the Netherlands. Despite the activity, it wasn't until 21 November 1944 that Allied pilots reported spotting an Ar-234B, when P-51s escorting bombers over Holland observed one of the jets overflying their formation. Detected, the German pilot immediately applied power and disappeared.

There's simply no other way...

B-29 would be just uber B-17 with more guns, speed and bombload. Ar 234 would be fun ride! Not able to finish HQ alone and no guns but lots of speed and maneuverability! It would be fun to avoid enemy fighters and drop your bombs where ever you want, then speed away while Mustang pilots curse their slow planes  

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[Jigster]

The Invader first flew in '42 and started seeing limited service in mid '44 due to teething trouble..

I still think that any plane slower then most of the fighters is pretty much going to be dead meet.

Also, while it does have some monsterous armament options it rarely operated with them during WWII...which is why I'm hopping for 2 or 3 versions. I'm bought read to settle for the glass-nosed versions with either with either wing guns or wing pods.

but I will not argue over the 20-22 gun version with 14 rocket rails, 4000lbs internal + external racks for 1000lbs more should be perked. Even if it would be a wallowing pig  

IIRC that was just a max ordinance option that was never used. Would still like purchaseable "uber" loads so the B-26 could carry torpedos, the Lanc gets it's heavies, and the B-17's become part of project Aphrodite  

[Voss]

De Havilland Mosquito

Voss 13th T.A.S.

[Karnak]

There is one thing about the B-29A, and really the B-17G and Lancaster MkIII, and that thing is:

We NEED longer runways to operate heavy bombers from.

I even think that the heavy bombers should only be selectable from fields with the new, long runways.

Please HTC, I'm tired of running my Lancaster over rough terrain for 1000ft before taking off.  Please give us heavy bomber fields to operate from.

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[Westy]

B-35!!!!  aka what Hitler wished Horton could have gotten going  


   

OR!

What Dornier and Arado could only dream of making  


   

-Westy



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