Author Topic: So ... what's up with Iraq? (Read 1152 times)

slimm50 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 14, 2004, 06:51:44 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Our troops will continue to hang in there, kill the bad guys when they show themselves and avoid needless killing. Elections will take place in January and we can begin to reduce our presence. Hard line Muslms will then attempt to overthrow the new democratic Iraqi government and the there may be civil war. The US will support the democratically elected government and it will eventually win the war.

Great minds, an' all that, wot?

demaw1 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:29:08 PM »

What flyingaround said......4 stars.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:33:26 PM »

You have to put things into perspective when it comes to Iraq.

1. Faluja.....The US forces did not want to pull out nore did they want to give in the Al Sadr's forces. These were CHOICES made by the current govt. running Iraq.

2. Armegeden.....I've heard the storys from the media being painted like pure armegeden and anarchy over there. The truth is the stats don't back this up. Yes we reached the 1000th casualty wich is sad but it no were comes close to comparing to the actual pre-war predictions.

I even heard a DNC talking head referr to Iraq as "worse than veitnam". HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU MAKE THE COMPARISON. There is nothing remotly close to tyeing the two wars together.

3. The Iraqies themselves. Most are good hard working people just like you and me, they are glad Sadam is gone and will be even more happy when they are a free country without US troops on the soil.

The insurgency is a SMALL group of minority poeple that are made up of America haters and former bathists that want to regain power. They are getting desperate and know that they can shake things up especially with the election coming up.

Just my point of view feel free to disagree.

Curval · « **Reply #18 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:40:25 PM »

I fear Toad is right.

But as far as the election goes, who would you rather try and deal with the situation? Bush or Kerry? I gotta go with Bush. Why? The bad guys in Iraq want Kerry to win. Not because they will stop fighting, but because then they figure they stand a chance of winning.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #19 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:46:27 PM »

Toad you're wrong. WE didnt let anyone go.

We were bound by the orders of the Iraqi govt. There was a peace deal provided by Al Sistanit, one of the most powerfull clerics there, and the US forces had to accept that.

The Iraqies put the value of their shrine over the win of the battle. If you think about it we will have to fight them again but at least they never got one up on us.

Eagler · « **Reply #20 on:** September 14, 2004, 07:54:31 PM »

Rome wasn't built in a day

sorry but Iraq ain't a 30 minute sitcom..

in time, it will turn out fine - between now and then we have many more cheekboness to kill with losing as few of ours as possible

Bush winning in Nov secures at least 4 more years of US/coalition support in the region - by then even a handsomehunkcrat shouldn't be able to screw it up

VOR · « **Reply #21 on:** September 14, 2004, 08:29:19 PM »

It's seriously overblown. It reminds me of a popular Don Henley song.

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 14, 2004, 09:10:40 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
I would agree with Elbert, alas I fear that if US withdraw, Democratic Iraq will fall (even with "American advisors" help) and the war (money and men loss) would have been fough for very little results.

i agree.

you see there once was this little country called iran that was once at war with Iraq. they might want to settle an old score and take iraq either through sending more terrorist to aid a civil war or just overrun it with their military.

Stang · « **Reply #23 on:** September 14, 2004, 09:14:43 PM »

Not quite that simple Skull, that they wouldn't be able to do... but a more clandestine invasion of Iranian agents supporting a Shi'ite theocracy after the US has left.... Bingo

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 14, 2004, 09:28:35 PM »

"what ever can go wrong will"

Mr. Stang

Gixer · « **Reply #25 on:** September 15, 2004, 06:18:41 AM »

I don't think anything has gone as hoped in Iraq since Bush's "Mission Accomplished". I doubt a year ago they ever dreamed that they'd still have the number of troops there, the number (ever growing) of militants and the amount of increasing violence. Prisoner abuse scandles and not to mention never finding any WMD"s which was the excuse for the war in the first place.

Something like 112 kidnappings since April alone, going real well.

Bush has his puppet government in place but the Iraq's hate him as much as the do the US. The chance of elections in January is impossible if the current levels of violence continue and the local police keep on getting blown up.

Plus how long can the US sustain the Iraq mission still running at over 4 billion a month with little contribution from anyone else since the coalition is almost non exisitent. I understand that in todays money the war in Iraq is almost equal to the cost of the Vietnam war per month.

Iraq is a mess. Easy to get in, hard to get out. Anyone who still thinks democracy and security will still work for that country is kidding themselves.

~~:..-Gixer~~

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #26 on:** September 15, 2004, 08:01:55 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
It's seriously overblown. It reminds me of a popular Don Henley song.

Agreed. If we listened to allthe media raports and took what EVERYTHING they said as accurate.

We would beleive that Washington DC, NYC. San Fran were nothing short of deathtraps.

Well I've been to NYC Including Harlem at 3 AM.
Nobody bothered me

Couple weeks ago I spent the weekend IN Washington DC which last I heard had the largest crime/murder rate in the nation Walked the streets in the late late evening hours I really got to experiance the city and not just toured the attractions. I found nothing more then VERY friendly and VERY helpful people there. Truely a wonderful city and I would encourage anyone who hasnt stayed ther to do so.

now I've never been to san fran but I cant imagine it being much different then either NY or DC.

The Media blows everything out of proportion. Its what sells. Particularly "Dirty laundry"

SirLoin · « **Reply #27 on:** September 15, 2004, 08:08:25 AM »

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Originally posted by flyingaround
Not even close the the truth...MOST of the people in Iraq are happy

GreenCloud · « **Reply #28 on:** September 15, 2004, 01:57:48 PM »

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Iraq is a mess. Easy to get in, hard to get out. Anyone who still thinks democracy and security will still work for that country is kidding themselves.

typical crap from you linguine spinned liberlas..GROW A PAIR..

NO ONE from the Bush Admin EVER said thsi was a Cake walk...

Bunch of player hatn female dogs for sure

LMFAO...why isnt Iraq all peaceful now!!?..whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

whaaaaaaaaa

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Plus how long can the US sustain the Iraq mission still running at over 4 billion a month with little contribution from anyone else since the coalition is almost non exisitent.

again crap from u gixer..I love it when you call anyone helping usa "nonexisitent"..im sure there families apreciate your caring thoughts

oh yaa..France and Russai arent there...I guess we didnt pay them enuff money?..ya...

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #29 on:** September 15, 2004, 02:00:41 PM »

Drediock, theres a place in DC called Anacostia. I'm betting money you weren't wandering around there at night.

DC has its bad areas, never seen a tourist in them.
-SW