So ... what's up with Iraq?

[Gixer]

So you guys belive things are going well in Iraq because Bush say's so? Try and think outside the square and think how you would feel if what was going on in Iraq was going on in your country and you had another countries army ruling you.

The loss of life,maimed and wounded in Iraq is a tragedy and the reasons for the war and it's execution no matter how well Bush and Rumsfield say it's going, is simply obscene and is one the worst displays and miss use of political and military power in modern history.





...-Gixer

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer
So you guys belive things are going well in Iraq because Bush say's so? Try and think outside the square and think how you would feel if what was going on in Iraq was going on in your country and you had another countries army ruling you.

The loss of life,maimed and wounded in Iraq is a tragedy and the reasons for the war and it's execution no matter how well Bush and Rumsfield say it's going, is simply obscene and is one the worst displays and miss use of political and military power in modern history.





...-Gixer

No, I think things are going well in Iraq because I talk to my friends who are there.  Do you think things are going poorly in Iraq because the NY Times tells you so?

[Gixer]

No I think things are going badly in Iraq because you still have over 130,000 troops there with no way out in sight, costing over 4 billion a month, a ever growing number of militants,no controll in some cities,kidnappings and people still being blown up in large numbers every day.

Look at how many aid agencies are in Iraq, none. Because it's still too violent for them to operate there.

The Bush admin had a great plan for taking the country which was always going to be the "cake walk" anyway. They seemed to have no plan at all on how to secure and run the country after that.

Ever wonder why there's so little support for the Iraq war and occupancy by other countries? Most countries aren't even contributing financially let alone militarily.



...-Gixer

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer

Ever wonder why there's so little support for the Iraq war and occupancy by other countries? Most countries aren't even contributing financially let alone militarily.



...-Gixer

No.  They're still ticked that we interrupted their oil for food profiteering.

Look at how many aid agencies are in Iraq, none.

Ahhh, so you DO get your info from NY Times.  I'm sure all the aid agencies that are currently operating in Iraq would be pleased to know they are not really there.  You should try getting your OWN information from sources that are actually there.  It's usually more accurate than your moveon.org talking points.

[Gixer]

Off topic

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer
LMAO

What and that Bush wanted all the oil for himself? LOL



...-Gixer

Excellent response.  Very factual.

Just like your last statement.

Originally posted by Martlet
No.  They're still ticked that we interrupted their oil for food profiteering.

 

Ahhh, so you DO get your info from NY Times.  I'm sure all the aid agencies that are currently operating in Iraq would be pleased to know they are not really there.  You should try getting your OWN information from sources that are actually there.  It's usually more accurate than your moveon.org talking points.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Martlet
Excellent response.  Very factual.

Just like your last statement.

Ditto and yours. Seems you only believe in the media when suits.



...-Gixer

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Dowding
Maybe. But I wouldn't count on it - I think the US has dug a great big hole for itself in Iraq and has pulled us in with it.

Same, but hopefully the Liberal govt. will lose power next month, and our diggers will come home at Xmas.

 Tronsky

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer
Ditto and yours. Seems you only believe in the media when suits.



...-Gixer

Ahhh, I understand now.  You just can't read.  I specifically stated my information wasn't obtained from the media.

Next.......

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, I understand now.  You just can't read.  I specifically stated my information wasn't obtained from the media.

Next.......

But you still genuinely believe that Bush dosn't want any of the oil for himself or his buddies and is going to give 100% of all the profits from oil sales back to the Iraqies?

And that the reason why Iraq has little international support is because Bush ruined their oil for food scam. Thats pretty nieve.



...-Gixer

[Gixer]

By the way I've visited moveon.org once or twice about as much as I've visited any pro Bush sites. Wouldn't waste my time with such troll.



...-Gixer

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer
But you still genuinely believe that Bush dosn't want any of the oil for himself or his buddies and is going to give 100% of all the profits from oil sales back to the Iraqies?

And that the reason why Iraq has little international support is because Bush ruined their oil for food scam. Thats pretty nieve.



...-Gixer

Another very strong argument.  I did notice that since the last round of facts you tossed out were debunked you've moved from a factual argument to "you're just wrong".

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Gixer
By the way I've visited moveon.org once or twice about as much as I've visited any pro Bush sites. Wouldn't waste my time with such troll.



...-Gixer

You don't seem to waste your time checking your facts, either.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Gixer
So you guys belive things are going well in Iraq because Bush say's so?

No, I don't think good things are happening there because the Prez said so, but I can assure you good things are happening. Don't confuse enthusiasm for the cause with leader or hero worship.

Originally posted by Gixer
The loss of life,maimed and wounded in Iraq is a tragedy and the reasons for the war and it's execution no matter how well Bush and Rumsfield say it's going, is simply obscene and is one the worst displays and miss use of political and military power in modern history.[/B]

Agree with the loss of life being a tragedy. As for the entire thing being something of a gross mismanagement and blundering catastrophe, well, I'd have to ask you this: on what information are you basing your conclusions? Secondly, (and no offense intended) who are you to make such a judgement in the first place?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Drediock, theres a place in DC called Anacostia. I'm betting money you weren't wandering around there at night.

DC has its bad areas, never seen a tourist in them.
-SW

Lmao you dont know me very well do you?

I grew up in a VERY rough neighborhood. used to be called "Little Harlem" back in the height of the racial tensions in the early to mid 70's. Riots were an almost daily occurance.  Im no stranger to seeing guns,( more then one even having been pointed at me) knives, pipes, baseball bats and a host of other homemade weapentry.
Not that Im proud of it but I myself spent time in a street gang.

There isnt a place I've found where Im afraid to walk.
Its all in the attitude.

 If you act like a potential victim (scared) you  increase your chances of becomming one tenfold.

Im sure DC has some shady areas just like 1,000 other towns. In fact  I probably saw a few of them. For example I noticed that  not all of Pennsy Ave is filled with bright clean buildings. Particularly the farther you get away from the white house. There were a few other streets I walked and drove around that I could telll you what they were if I had the map in front of me. But there were a bunch where you could tell the rich folk definately did not live.

But Walking around in rough areas doesnt bother me. I grew up and went to school having to go through such areas.

Still, by and large people just leave you alone.
Most people, are just people.

Now Im not going to say that its AS safe as walking through the suburbs. Particularly if you dont know how to act.

but to get back on topic and to my point is its really only a very small percentage of the people who are a real danger. Just like in Iraq
 It is the media that makes it seem worse then it really is