The assault rifle ban...

[Yeager]

In 15 more years we'll be totally at the mercy of government.
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In 15 years we might as well join the EU.  

Watch out for liberal democrats, they are a cancer to our freedom.





If you are talking about the right to defend yourself in your home, you need a small handgun.
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Oh how very kind of this person, giving me permission to own a handgun.  What this poster fails to understand (or chooses to ignore) is that the same people who tried to interfere with my right to own a really cool looking semiauto rifle are the SAME people who will destroy my right to own a handgun.  They are the same people who want to strictly regulate airguns and spitwad straws.

We surrendered our right to freely own a fully automatic firearm.  The gunhaters will not stop until we are all the equivalent of european government handled wussies.

[lazs2]

bozon... sorry... all the studies in the U.S. prove that you are wrong...  the more guns in the hands of civilians in the U.S. the less crime.   wishing it were different or using "common sense" or your "feelings" doesn't change the data.

lazs

[Ripsnort]

This NRA article pretty much sums it up.

Gun prohibition almost always moves by incremental steps. Restrictions that would have seemed outrageous if proposed by themselves can appear "reasonable" when they merely advance existing restrictions a few more steps.

Gun storage laws are. . . unenforceable without massive government intrusions into the sanctity of the home.

In Canada, prohibitionists, such as then-Justice Minister Alan Rock, have used gun storage laws as a justification for imposing universal gun registration, since registration "will create a sense of accountability on the part of the firearms owner to comply with some of the safe storage laws that are in effect."

As the next step, the anti-gun lobbies in Canada have begun pushing for "community storage." Rather than keeping your guns in a safe in your home, you would have to keep your guns at a police station. When you wanted to use your gun for the day, you could check it out from the police station.

The anti-gun groups point out that a gun in the home could be stolen, or could be misused in a domestic incident. There is no reason, they argue, for guns to be kept in a home 365 days a year, when the gun may only be used a few days a year.

To counter the anti-gun groups, gun owners in Canada can hardly argue that removing guns from the home makes it impossible to use the guns for home defense. They gave up the moral case for self-defense years ago by arguing that gun ownership was justified for sporting purposes, but not daring to assert that gun ownership is justified for defensive purposes. And by agreeing to "safe storage" laws, the Canadian gun owners gave up the practical ability to use a gun for self-defense in a sudden emergency.

With so much ground already conceded, Canadian gun owners are reduced to arguing minor points, such as how a centralized gun storage repository might be more vulnerable to theft.

Even conceding on the "community storage" issue will do gun owners no good. In 1996, the British Parliament banned almost all handguns, but allowed owners of single-shot .22s to keep the guns locked in central repositories at gun ranges. The new restrictions only briefly sated the appetite of the British anti-gun lobbies. In 1997, community storage was replaced by its logical consequence, complete prohibition of all handguns.

The Future
Who can believe that the right to keep and bear arms could survive "community storage," with gun owners needing to ask government bureaucrats for permission to obtain access to their own guns? Who can believe that the American anti-gun lobbies, who so consistently imitate the programs of their foreign cousins, will not begin demanding community storage, once they have laid the foundation with "safe storage" laws?

Storing guns safely is the duty of every gun owner. What makes for safety depends very much on individual circumstances. Safety is, and always has been, the concern of organizations such as the National Rifle Association. In the hands of anti-gun lobbies and government bureaucrats, though, "safe storage" becomes an Orwellian term designed to negate the many safety benefits of the right to bear arms. Home safety is the responsibility of the family, not the state.

Sources: Some material herein is from Dave Kopel`s award-winning book The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America Adopt the Gun Control Policies of Other Democracies? (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books). Extensive information about Canada`s repressive gun laws is available on the world-wide web at http://www.nfa.ca/ (National Firearms Association of Canada) and http://cdn-firearms.ml.org/ (Canadian Firearms Digest).

[TPIguy]

Anyway, why would you need an AK47 to hunt a deer?!
 

Well you don't NEED one, you could use an SKS instead. Either makes a fine deer rifle upto 100-125 yards.

you need hi power ammo because it is steel plated

Actually 7.62x39 is fairly low powered when compared to most hunting rounds. Even the old 30-30 has more power.

and you need the 30 bullets clip for the M16 to shoot the entire herd?

Well since an M-16 goes for $15,000+ not too many use one for hunting. Besides, the .223 round is severly lacking power for anything bigger than a coyote. If you REALLY wanted to use one, you don't have to load all 30 rounds. Infact most states have a limit on how many rounds you can have in your gun if you're hunting.

But unless you're hunting varmits an AK clone is a much better deer rifle.

[blkmgc]

Originally posted by lazs2
bozon... sorry... all the studies in the U.S. prove that you are wrong...  the more guns in the hands of civilians in the U.S. the less crime.   wishing it were different or using "common sense" or your "feelings" doesn't change the data.

lazs

 Amen


 And why would anyone want to hunt with a cheaply made POS military rifle. The likelyhood of missing or not making a clean kill with mega mass produced garbage ammo and a stamped firearm is much higher than using a decant same cost hunting rifle with a designated hunting load. I'd feel irresponsable using one for hunting.Although I wont take away from the 03A3, Kar98(not crap copy), enfield, or M44.

[Yeager]

Another point for the less educated to ponder:  One well placed bullit fired from A finely tuned Winchester or Remington bolt action
deer rifle can do far more harm to thre democratic system than any cool looking semi auto or full auto for that matter.  Heck,look what JWB did to lincoln with a crap muzzle loading lead ball shooting single shot "handgun"

Make no mistake, if you support the AWB then you support total firearms prohibition by proxy and are a ignorant person.

[Horn]

Originally posted by bozon
If you are talking about the right to defend yourself in your home, you need a small handgun. You will not charge theives down the staircase with meter long M16, that has the muzzle velocity of 1000 m/s and  can shoot through the walls and kill people out in the street.

Bozon

Nah, the little woman prefers a 12 guage w/ a shorter barrel, pistol grip and #4 shot for home defense. All she has to do is to shoot near the intruder to get a hit. Won't even go thru much of a wall.

Plus the sound of a shotgun round being pumped into a breech is unmistakeable.

As said above, the ban was solely cosmetic.

h

[Blooz]

I would warn of the pistol grip on the shotgun.

Had one on my Ithaca 37 (7rds, 20"bar, 00buck)

When I practiced my home defense plan I found that the pistol grip snagged on everything and was also a problem when shooting from the prone position.

[Reschke]

Originally posted by Yeager
Another point for the less educated to ponder:  One well placed bullit fired from A finely tuned Winchester or Remington bolt action
deer rifle can do far more harm to thre democratic system than any cool looking semi auto or full auto for that matter.  Heck,look what JWB did to lincoln with a crap muzzle loading lead ball shooting single shot "handgun"

Make no mistake, if you support the AWB then you support total firearms prohibition by proxy and are a ignorant person.

AMEN and look what LHO did to JFK with a crappy Italian bolt action in Dallas. I know many men who are target shooters and proficient hunters that can and do consistently make 300 meter + shots on deer with their high quality bolt action rifles.

[Horn]

Originally posted by Blooz
I would warn of the pistol grip on the shotgun.

Had one on my Ithaca 37 (7rds, 20"bar, 00buck)

When I practiced my home defense plan I found that the pistol grip snagged on everything and was also a problem when shooting from the prone position.

Interesting--we went to a class where the instructor showed us how to fire a pistol grip shotgun prone. The first way was on your back looking over the shoulder, grip pressed off side of your chest, second was on the belly, right palm pressing pistol grip forward and down--his point was that you were not trying to get into a classic down-the-barrel aiming position in that situation.

He also said #4 shot was better than #00 because there were more pellets therefore wider spread and the pellets were not substantially less deadly than the #00 while they had less possibility of penetrating walls. more importantly, my SO likes the feel of it and she's comfortable--different strokes--it is a Mossberg mod 500 I believe.

h

[Blooz]

Ah, you know about those.

Not many people do.

Neighbors here are at a distance that 00 wouldn't have much energy left by the time it got to their house.

At least you got the right line of thinking!

Well done!

[superpug1]

All the assault rifle ban did was say that you had to have 7 american made parts on your rifle. ANd you could not have muzzle breaks for your assault waepons. All it does is let me put all the stock parts back on my STG. simple as that.

[acepilot2]

Originally posted by VOR
The Oprah said so.

[Mini D]

A brief description of what the assault weapon ban actually "banned":

In 1994, the Federal Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was passed. This law banned rifles that had detachable magazines and two or more of the following characteristics:

A folding or telescoping stock
A pistol grip
A bayonet mount
A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one (a flash suppressor reduces the amount of flash that the rifle shot makes. It is the small birdcage-like item on the muzzle of the rifle)
A grenade launcher.

Alot of people seemed to have misconceptions about what exactly the bill was about.  It also banned clips with greater than a 10 round capacity, but that was independant of the weapons.

As many have pointed out, however, the "ban" only pertained to the manufacture of the weapons and did not affect any weapons that were already produced.  That includes clips with greater than a 10 round capacity.  I do not have a single 10 round clip with my AR-15.  20 round is all I use.  All were purchased new within the last 5 years.