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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2004, 03:51:25 PM »
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the veiwpoints portrayed in this post are by a uninterested bystander

As in STILL don't pay to play after several years. Nobody really cares what a freeloader thinks. Pay and help support HTC and AH2s growth or shuddup. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2004, 03:56:05 PM »
I saw the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, but never that skit.  I only became aware of it after people asked if I got my call sign from it.

I took my call sign from an ancient Egyptian temple complex.  Abu Simbel at Karnak.

I recognized your reference, but not that it was made in jest.  Mayhap it is me who is humorless?
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2004, 04:43:09 PM »
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Notice the spelling ... did you ever watch the "The Late Show" with Johnny Carson ? ... if not, then you probably missed the humor.

Oh ... and I would be honored to be called "Spock" ... ;)


Slappy suits you better than Spock. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2004, 04:47:05 PM »
Dip, Im interested in what he has to say, whether he pays or not.

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2004, 05:09:19 PM »
A possible way to limit suicide heavy bombers is to limit trim authority to the airspeeds and trim levels the planes had during their normal service use.  If the plane can't be trimmed to dive at high speeds, it'll be very difficult to get a stable dive bomb platform in the heavy bombers.  I'd think that before a diving heavy bomber could get lined up on the target, either the wings would rip off or the plane's natural pitch trim condition would cause the nose to start rising regardless of how much nose-down pitch force was applied.  If the speed increases too fast, the wings rip off.

Also, bombs simply won't separate from the aircraft below a certain G level or with a relative G vector that doesn't point straight down the mechanical release pathway and out of the bomb bay.  Many (most?) heavy bombers had simple gravity release mechanisms that required positive Gs, and a G load vector nearly straight out of the bomb bay to get the bombs out of the bomb bay.  Release them at under 1 G or at an angle, and there is an increased chance that the bombs will hang up in the bay or cause bomb to bomb or bomb to aircraft contact and possible detonation while near the aircraft.  Simulating release limitations in G, airspeed, sideslip angle, etc. would almost entirely kill suicide dive bombing in heavy bombers.  A heavy bomber relying on gravity release for safe bomb separation would be unable to release it's bomb load in a stable dive beyond around 60 deg dive angle.  The bombs might come off the rack, but they'd just as likely end up in the cockpit after bouncing around inside the bomb bay and against each other.  

Requiring a relative G vector that is within 20-30 deg of straight out of the bomb bay for safe bomb separation would be quite realistic.  For more realism, have the bombs detonate immediately after they arm if they are still within 20 ft of the aircraft, simulating bomb to aircraft impact.  I've seen video of this happening in RL when a bomb was released outside of release parameters.

I'm not sure if it's not already done, but do the wingman bombers actually try to follow the lead bomber down in the dive, or do they disconnect when past a certain dive angle?
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2004, 05:14:49 PM »
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disclaimer: the veiwpoints portrayed in this post are by a uninterested bystander based on the unrepresentative viewpoints given out over a 1 year period of whining on this board.

  Followed by much: "See!!! I TOLD you so!!!"

  Why can't you guys just enjoy the game instead of dissecting and griping about everything HT does? What's wrong with the ENY limiter? Challenge yourselves; fly the lamer planes. Sheesh!!!
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2004, 05:33:07 PM »
The bombsight is too clunky for me to bother with. Not only is it complicated, I have no interest in learning it. I find glide bombing to work great with Lancs. I know some folks hate it...but thats the way I do it.

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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2004, 05:49:55 PM »
>>It was a lame style of "gameplay" brought to AH from another (now defunct) game where it was an arena staple. Players there, and then later here,<<

I flew in a now defunct game where "some" of the players played this way; they were criticized and harrassed by most of the community for flying that way. That they made their way to AH like everyone else has more to do with a "best game in town" attitude than anything else. We, in AH have pork weenies, we also have an awful lot of vulchers who will bog down an effort simply to get kills, we also have too many who will steal kills and create killshooter situations; it sucks but there it is. We in the community have a lot more to be concerned with than how a new planetype will be received or, will affect gameplay.
If it's a good plane (read uber) weenies will flock to it, and thats all one will see for months at a time. If it is less Uber, it will be restricted because of a low eny value. The only thing (IMO) that one can predict is that if it is a good planetype, the whiners will get their licks in, and enjoyment of the planetype will be restricted :( (sigh) I am tired now

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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2004, 05:55:20 PM »
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Lancaster's don't have a forward-firing rocket load for easy "point and shoot" fun.  They also make for piss-poor dogfighters in case the mission parameters change mid-route.  :p



Actually you can swing a solo Lancaster around in here pretty good.  For added fun, get someone to join as the gunner.  A squad mate of mine used to do this while I'd gun for him, we never made it home but we did surprise a few fighters during those raids.



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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2004, 05:59:52 PM »
I predict that people will whine.

I'm a bloody psychotic ... err ... psychic. :D

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2004, 06:02:29 PM »
"As in STILL don't pay to play after several years. Nobody really cares what a freeloader thinks. Pay and help support HTC and AH2s growth or shuddup"


"Dip, Im interested in what he has to say, whether he pays or not"



Ask again why the game numbers have gone into the toilet, people unhappy and a BB filled with this kind of stuff.

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2004, 06:07:39 PM »
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Ask again why the game numbers have gone into the toilet, people unhappy and a BB filled with this kind of stuff.


Don't have to, really. Anyone's who's been around long enough to see TV go from the The Dick Van Dyke Show and The Twilight Zone to reality tv knows what John Q. Public's brain has eroded to. :D

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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2004, 08:49:12 PM »
Gameplay threads are the same wardance around the obvious: people do what is in their best interest.  That includes making the most ingenious use of whatever equipment is offered.  

If Aces High offers C-47s that can drop troops from an immelman,  it is even more unrealistic to expect everyone to play like they can't.  This game is controlled by design capability, not participant rule making.
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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2004, 10:41:47 PM »
Actually Vort is still just a kid so ease up on him guys ... Just because he is still in school and doesnt have the mum/ dad CC to play on doesnt make him an outcast .
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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2004, 06:09:40 AM »
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TOD will come out, leaving the furballers to there utopian MA, and the strat weenies will get there straturgized utopia.
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