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« on: November 30, 2000, 09:32:00 PM »
First I will apologize to my American friends for admitting that I love the 190's handling. It is a fun bird to fly.  Next I shall ask for advice on how to fly this bird.

These questions are for combat engagements when actively being persued or persuing...

1) What is the speed in which you should pull up into a zoom climb after diving? I understand that the Pony and others will catch you in a long dive so I assume you should reach a certain speed then zoom.

2) 45 degree dive or vertical dive?

3) 45 degree zoom or vertical zoom?

4) How often should you use flaps for turning at the top of your zoom?

5) Which flap setting?

6) At what speed should you roll over at the top of your zoom? Stall speed or extend all the way to zero?

7) Do you loop at the top of zoom or split-S?

8) When if ever is it ok to flat turn while engaged in combat?

9) Why do the 20 mm cannons feel like .30 cal?

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2000, 09:35:00 PM »
Again I apologize to my American iron friends.  I don't fly the best planes, or the most lethal, I fly the plane that feels the best for my joystick setup.  Otherwise I'd be flying the Uber-C.

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2000, 09:41:00 PM »
 
1) What is the speed in which you should pull up into a zoom climb after diving? I understand that the Pony and others will catch you in a long dive so I assume you should reach a certain speed then zoom.

As soon as you see him too close   , pull up HARD to blackout, roll back down and pull, and dive to the deck.

less than 10% of ponies will be able to follow that, because they always expect you to pull up at all, not to roll back down while blacked out. And even if they suspect it, there are few things they can do keep on tracking you visually (damned hard to do with a black screen  ).

2) 45 degree dive or vertical dive?

Depends on the situation. If enough separation is available, 0G dive up to 50-60deg.

3) 45 degree zoom or vertical zoom?

In my book there is nothing such as a vertical zoom. 2G pull to 15-20º until you hit 325-300 IAS, then 45º until 200IAs, then vertical to hammerhead.

4) How often should you use flaps for turning at the top of your zoom?

When I try to flip the nose down instead doing a hammerhead. They help the nose go down faster, and enhance control at so low speeds.

5) Which flap setting?

All I can get, they will automatically retract on the dive, and what I need is to bring the nose down fast and with enhanced control.

6) At what speed should you roll over at the top of your zoom? Stall speed or extend all the way to zero?

Well, I always try to reach 0. Then if I hammerhead or pull nose down depends on the situation.

7) Do you loop at the top of zoom or split-S?

Sorry I dont understand the question...but I use to do hammerheads.

8) When if ever is it ok to flat turn while engaged in combat?

Never. unless you MUST bleed E very fast--------->when forcing overshoots.

9) Why do the 20 mm cannons feel like .30 cal?



The best question of them all. Because is a german weapon and, as we all know, german weapons sucked bigtime.

And hispanos were the rulers of WWII Aerial combat

 



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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2000, 10:23:00 PM »
While you're at it, ask RAM what the best method to engage a B26 is, while flying a Focke Wulfe.

 

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2000, 02:38:00 AM »
1) What is the speed in which you should pull up into a zoom climb after diving? I understand that the Pony and others will catch you in a long dive so I assume you should reach a certain speed then zoom.

I've found that zoom climbing in the 190 mostly is useless - if the enemy has a plane with a more powerful engine, prolonging the time unnecessary to get to alt will eat away at yer e advantage. More often than not, I go for either extention or a very steep almost vertical climb followed by a hammerhead. I zoom climb now and then though.

2) 45 degree dive or vertical dive?
Both work great in the FW - if you do a 45 degree dive, you shoould use a sight like kirin's. With his bomb markings, 45 degree bomb runs are easy. 90 degree dives are somewhat more difficult to control, because you have to check left and right to make sure you're diving 90 degrees and not 80-85 to either side. I use 45 degrees mostly.

3) 45 degree zoom or vertical zoom?
Depends on your e, whether it is important that you come around fast to help a buddy, whether there are enemy planes around and what type of enemies you're fighting. My rule is; the more powerful engine the enemy has, the less time you want to give him to eat away at yer e.

4) How often should you use flaps for turning at the top of your zoom?

Flaps pop out below 200mph. I rarely use flaps when in a dogfight in the 190; if I get so slow I can use them, I've probably gotten too slow. cannot give ya a precise answer; depends on yer flying style I suppose  .

5) Which flap setting?
One notch, or you'll lose too much e having it out.

6) At what speed should you roll over at the top of your zoom? Stall speed or extend all the way to zero?

I usually roll over before stall speed; yer very vulrenable at slow speeds in the 190 and it takes a steep dive to build speed back up. But if I got an enemy on my 6 and an e adv, I'll hammerhead his bellybutton  .

7) Do you loop at the top of zoom or split-S?

I perform an immelman or a hammerhead, usually. Split s if the enemy is much lower or a buddy is in trouble, or in cases where speed is essential to survival.

8) When if ever is it ok to flat turn while engaged in combat?

Don't flat turn in the 190  . Anything can catch you. Use scissors. If you MUST turn, speed ranges around 350 is the great equalizer; both you and the enemy will be limited not by plane performance, but by pilot performance.

9) Why do the 20 mm cannons feel like .30 cal?

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2000, 02:55:00 AM »
Hi.

Nah fscott dont worry bout it the MG151/20 really was that weak in RL, the sitution was so bad that JG26 and other Geschwader never ever ever ever dared to take off the 2 MG/FF on their 190s becase the 2 MG151/20 were so bad and useless. Yep we all know thats true yep ahem yep   But seriously the MG151 lethality in here is pretty bad,  thats why I asked for the mineshell which was much better, about 4 times more in explosive power. As they are now I figure they are only a small margin  better than US 50cals in AH, but obviously some will disagee on this. This of course was not the case in RL, where single MG151 109s had no problems killing single engine fighters of all periods and opponents, with possible exception of p47 having better resistance to cannon fire compared to most others, but 47 could be set on fire by cannon tho, something that rarely occurs in here, a fire caused by non instantly lethal damage like wing being shot off. It be great of HTC to look into this and possibly add the more interesting mineshell to the MG151/20 ammo setup.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2000, 03:35:00 AM »
Mausers aren't THAT bad. You light 'em up and they go down. What's the damned problem????
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2000, 04:50:00 AM »
Hi

Thats exactly the problem u really have to hose planes with MG151 to get a kill, very much in the way you do in US 50cal planes, all in all it seems to me that the current explosive power of the MG151 cannon shell is quite poor.

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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2000, 05:11:00 AM »
Well, I never had a problem blowing planes apart with a good 2-4 hits on a specific part, but I had my convergence pushed out to 650yds and would fire in short bursts. Could usually rack up good sorties in it and for the most part got snapshot kills, if not a kill then atleast a disabling shot which allowed me to move in closer and blow something else off.

If you think the Mausers are weak, take up an La5. You literally hafta make the enemy planes look like xmas trees to get them to fall apart.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2000, 06:59:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by hblair:
While you're at it, ask RAM what the best method to engage a B26 is, while flying a Focke Wulfe.

Fast, slashing attacks from 10 or 2 o clock, never aproach from a dead six.

and if you are in a fighter formation, forget your leader's orders to aproach from the high six, go round the bomber formation and do a 10 or 2 o'clock fast attack.

If for any reason you must aproach from their six,or you dare to follow orders  , try to do it from their low six, most weak quadrant of the B26. IF they are multiple B26s you can be caught in a crossfire, so fire all you can and get your prettythang outta there ASAP...if you can.

AHem...hope you get the indirect, Hblair

 

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2000, 08:20:00 AM »
Ok! Thanks for the great tips! I've flown it seriously now for about 2 days and I am already getting 3 kill sorties even had a 4 kill sortie last night. I'm having trouble against the Yak9 when he has an alt advantage. That plane is unreal in that it can turn at slow and fast speeds, and holds up E so well. All others I feel are not really a threat as long as I maintain at least 5k. Thanks!

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2000, 08:29:00 AM »
Oh one additional comment about the cannons. I unleashed on a Ju88 from about 600 clicks the other night. I had my convergence set to 475. I was right on his six using the 2mg and 2 cannon. I saw numerous flashes on his tail and all he got was a smoking engine before he took me out. I guess I may have hit him 20 times or more.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2000, 08:40:00 AM »
Oh, FScott, forgot to say, Never fire MG and cannon linked. At lest to me they screw the aiming a lot.

I use to fire the 4 cannons only unless it is a long range shot, where I fire the MGs.

And dont be so surprised. Again, Mausers suck bigtime, get used to it, because we all have seen that there wont be any revision of their damage modelling.

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2000, 08:49:00 AM »
 
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I've found that zoom climbing in the 190 mostly is useless - if the enemy has a plane with a more powerful engine, prolonging the time unnecessary to get to alt will eat away at yer e advantage. More often than not, I go for either extention or a very steep almost vertical climb followed by a hammerhead. I zoom climb now and then though.


Santa, just noticed that you posted this.

You fly mostly 190A8, I fly mostly A5. Both are great zoomers, BUT only if you start with enough E advantage. A BnZ in a fw190A8 can be kept for a quite long time if you keep the bad guy avoiding your attacks while you conserve your E.
In a Fw190A5 this can be kept even longer.

but you need a lot of E difference to start with. The 190 is a great BnZ plane, just happens that when the zoom speed is gone (250-225 IAS(, the plane is sat down on the sky. That is why when I reach 225-200IAS I pull the vertical to do the hammerhead, at those speeds you will lose any space you have won at the start of the zoom.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2000, 08:56:00 AM »
In my testings, which I posted some months and weeks ago....
MG151/20 was just bit better than .50 caliber per hit (although you'll hit alot easier with .50s) and ShVAK was just tiny bit better than MG151/20.
of course hispano was somewhat super and outrated all guns from 20mm and lower calibers.

well.. I hope they do something for ShVAK and MG151/20, because those do feel really poor compared to hispanos.

yes, I do know very well that Hispano shell is more powerful than MG151/20's, but still I don't believe that difference is as much as it is right now.