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« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2004, 11:54:34 AM »
Thank you for clarifying that. I'll note it for history's sake.
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« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2004, 11:55:28 AM »
Heh. Very funny.
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« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2004, 03:37:25 PM »
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Agression against Yugoslavia was an open and clear operation of supporting terrorists. Wrong argument here.
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lol Boroda, actually it was GENOCIDE or if you prefer.....ETHNIC CLEANSING that got Yugo. in trouble.

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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2004, 06:59:14 AM »
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lol Boroda, actually it was GENOCIDE or if you prefer.....ETHNIC CLEANSING that got Yugo. in trouble.


Genocide accusations against Miloshevich were abandoned by international tribunal in Hague.

The number of victims before NATO bandits "interfered" was approximately 300 people on both sides.

And now, drumroll: in Autumn, 1998, Kosovo Liberation Army was declared a terrorist organisation by US Congress. So, you spent billions of dollars supporting terrorists and fighting Serbian police forces against international drug-dealers and slave-traders. It's hard to list all the violations of international laws that NATO agressors violated, including 1975 Helsinki declaration.

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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2004, 07:49:22 AM »
From Boroda:
"US armed both Iran and Iraq. So what? If they want to buy our weapons - it means that if we don't sell them - someone else will. And I am sure it will be US companies. "

Yep they sold a heck of arms to both, and still do sell arms to many many bad-arse nations of the world.
In the Iran-Iraq war, one of the Nations had primarily U.S. weapons, while the other had USSR made stuff.

Old USSR was always on top as the worlds biggest arms seller, followed by the US, then the French, then the UK, and then Sweden actually.
I don't know how it is today.

But todays terrorists are mostly armed with russian hardware. Seems to be a lot of it about, and it's usually good stuff.....
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« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2004, 08:57:11 AM »
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Old USSR was always on top as the worlds biggest arms seller, followed by the US, then the French, then the UK, and then Sweden actually.
I don't know how it is today.


IIRC now we are at the third place after US and France, with US selling several times more weapons then Russia.

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But todays terrorists are mostly armed with russian hardware. Seems to be a lot of it about, and it's usually good stuff.....


Soviet small arms are very simple, reliable and cheap to produce. And many weapons that you can call "Russian" are made in China, Romania and other former Socialist countries. You don't see modern Soviet/Russian weapons used by terrorists outside Chechnya. There are very few (if any) exported AK-74s or RPG-18s "Muha" ("Fly"), mostly Chinese 7.62mm AKs and RPG-7s.

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« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2004, 09:01:37 AM »
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US armed both Iran and Iraq. So what? If they want to buy our weapons - it means that if we don't sell them - someone else will. And I am sure it will be US companies.


Would this be pre or post 1991 sanctions?
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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2004, 09:13:56 AM »
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Contradictory on the surface, but only if you misunderstand what I meant and then take it out of context.

Now we know why you are a sKerry supporter at least.

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« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2004, 09:58:30 AM »
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Would this be pre or post 1991 sanctions?


Unlike some "democratic" countries, Russian Federation respects international law. There were no weapon sales to Iraq since 1990, or, IIRC, even earlier.

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« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2004, 10:41:35 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2004, 11:17:03 AM »
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Now we know why you are a sKerry supporter at least.


You idiot. What makes you think I'm even American?
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« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2004, 11:43:45 AM »
I've got a russian gun myself.
It's ok,but I have to use tape to hold it together :D

I have a Czech gun as well. It's quite ok.

Guns in the old USSR period were very cheap indeed, and widely available.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)