Tour 13 Stats: half way through

[Kieren]

No, Ram.

That damn 109G-10 is the threat to civilization as we know it. Just look at my stats! 5.5 to one kill ratio!! Run when you want to, climb away when you need to, great gun package... I tell you, if the newbies get a hold of that plane, the skies will just be full of them...

By comparison, the 1C only has a 3 to 1 ratio- hardly a threat. Even the 109F has a higher ratio... when I think about it, the whole of the LW planes ought to be perked, they are so overwhelmingly overmodeled.

[Jochen]

just checked my stats...

Fw 190A-5 K/D: 36/4 = 9.0

Perk A-5 or perk me, that is the question...

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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!

[Effdub]

"Effdub has 15 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2."

Whats the problem?

Effdub

[Kieren]

 

Originally posted by Staga:
Kieren read again; Its G-2 which needs perking  

hehe, YOU read again. I was going off my personal stats, and haven't jumped in a G2 this tour (yet!).

I'm being a little silly here, but my point is that every sim I have ever been in had a perceived "top plane". The elitists then try to get the planes removed. I like to see variety as much as the next guy, but I honestly must say I do see variety. If I choose to fly a "lesser" plane that is fine, I might even tease guys about riding the "greater" planes, but I have no right to try to legislate a plane out of existance so that my preference of ride comes out on top.

The classic "your whine is overmodeled" is sure approriate where the osti/1C/Nikki is concerned. Good Lord, have we not heard it enough? Another point; I do honestly believe that the 109G-10 is far more dangerous in the hands of an experienced pilot than the F4U-1C. I can easily see how it could become the ride of choice- it can bleed the E off of nearly any enemy or flat out run away from those it can't. The only thing that keeps it from being a total uberplane is the small clip. In reality I find it a breeze to live in the G10, something I cannot say about the 1C, and remember, this comes from a furballer.  

[Fury]

Hog C  18.8% of kills
N1K    14.9% of kills
Seafire 8.4% of kills

OTOH
Hog C is responsible for 13.7% of deaths
N1K   is responsible for 14.9% of deaths
Seafire  responsible for  8.5% of deaths

Hog C and N1K are responsible for 29% of the deaths in the MA.  These rides should be perked simply because the people currently flying them die way too much.  We need more skilled drivers in the Hog C and N1K.  Perkem.  Perkem good.

Fury

[This message has been edited by Fury (edited 02-16-2001).]

[AKDejaVu]

I look at the totals and can see where "too much chog use" is coming from.

Then I look at my stats.

N1K2:  6:3
F4u-C: 12:4
F4u-D: 10:4
SPIT9: 12:0
47D30:  8:2
P-51D:  7:2
SEAFR:  7:1
P-38L:  6:1
SPIT5:  6:0
A6M5: 4:0

Less than 10% of my kills are against F4u-1Cs.  I have a worse record against F4u-1Ds, Typhoons, La-5s and N1Ks.

I don't see F4u-1Cs and N1Ks wherever I go.  Of the last 20 kills I've gotten, 1 was a chog and 1 was an N1K.  At least 3 were P-38s, 2 were 109s and the rest seemed to be a bit of everything.

It seems people are insisting that things should be the way they want them wherever they go.  People should fly the way they want them to whenever they want them to.  Other people should fly stuff that makes MY enjoyment of the game better.  Everyone else should accomodate me.

One thing these stats are showing for sure is that people whining "there are too many chogs and N1Ks in the arena" are in the minority.

AKDejaVu


[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 02-16-2001).]

[Kieren]

Exactly, AK, my exact point. The 1C and Nikki acquire so many kills not due to their superiority, but through sheer usage. Many planes are far superior to the 1C especially, they just aren't recognized by new players. Not only that, non-Americans cannot understand the romantic image of the Corsair or Mustang in our culture. People will fly them for that reason alone.

Something that bothers me is any attempt to change others' method of play for no better reason than to make oneself more successful. Let's talk 1C here for a second:

Give me a plane that is better at suppressing ack, knocking down structures, killing Ostis and Panzers, carrying a buttload of ordinance, and being fast and tough enough to deliver the package before being killed. This is the 1C niche IMHO, not air-to-air. This is why I fly it. So let's say that I embark on a sortie, have a few extra minutes and decide to help capture a base... what should I take? I guess in the eyes of many I would be really cool if I took the C202 , but I won't contribute a thing to the base capture. So I get to listen to someone tell me what a dweeb I am for flying this plane. Conversely let me grag a Nikki because all our fuel is bombed and I need a plane that punches hard and last a long while on 25% fuel. Now I either kill a few planes circling the base or we lose it. This is a no-win (if you care what people say) because if I don't do everything I can to save the base I am not a "team player", and if I use the Nikki where it shines I am an "uber-ride dweeb".

Point is we paint people into ridiculous corners. Those two particular planes are popular because of the type of play we see in the arena. Need to knock down a high-alt buff? Neither of these planes will get it, because by the time you get there the damage is done. The arena is varied in the aircraft used; some of us are so much in the rut of our little segments of it that we cannot see that the other planes are there.

P.S. Want some fun? Try grabbing a 109F and flying near a cluster of maybe 5 planes fighting. They miscalculate the 109F's ability to turn by a wide margin, and you can get easy kills right in the middle of a furball. Bigger furballs get you killed, but 1 vs. 1 or vs. a few it is a damn fun ride...

[bloom25]

The only good thing about the hog c IMO is that when I fly the hog d people try to avoid my front end at all costs.  

The F4u-1d is pretty good as a fighter, easily superior to the f6f in speed and stability.  (The f6f is very prone to spins.)



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[mrfish]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:
Not only that, non-Americans cannot understand the romantic image of the Corsair or Mustang in our culture. People will fly them for that reason alone.
B]

good point - gramps flew it - baa baa blacksheep etc....

[ygsmilo]

I fly the Hog C for one reason only, it is the best A2G unit available. You can deack a small, med field take down the vh and fh in one sortie and take on GV if you need to.  In the FW 190a8 you can deack the field but cant get down the hangers or destroy GVs.  When we get the F, the LW will have a dedicated attack bird and I will fly it.

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Milo
3./JG2
"Speed is the cushion of sloppiness"

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:
Exactly, AK, my exact point. The 1C and Nikki acquire so many kills not due to their superiority, but through sheer usage. Many planes are far superior to the 1C especially, they just aren't recognized by new players. Not only that, non-Americans cannot understand the romantic image of the Corsair or Mustang in our culture. People will fly them for that reason alone.

If you love the corsair, you fly the TRUE one, the one produced in 1000s, the one that won the war in the pacific, not the 200 number bastard series that only flew for 4 months of a war already won.

I dont care why does Chog have so much kills. I know that it ammouts for 20% of the arena kills, and I know the nik ammounts for 15%. Two planes in this GAME are getting 35% of the kills. And the tendence, instead of getting better, gets worse.

I agree that Chog is not the best plane in the set. But I dont care, HTC (pyro) said clearly that their standards for perking planes were to avoid unballancing the main arena. IMO the Nik and Chog DO unballance the arena.

Of course its up to HTC to:

1-redefine their policy of perking
2-say the Chog and N1k2 aren't unballancing the main arena.

But as it is, this is annoying as hell. And no, I wont have more fun flying in 109F4 or C202, you know why?

because in any plane I fly I will keep on seeing seas of niks and chogs.

[Kieren]

If you love the corsair, you fly the TRUE one.

If you love the 190, you fly the TRUE one, not the plane that was only produced to the tune of 700 or so and was used mainly as base defense for 262's.

I dont care why does Chog have so much kills. I know that it ammouts for 20% of the arena kills, and I know the nik ammounts for 15%. Two planes in this GAME are getting 35% of the kills. And the tendence, instead of getting better, gets worse.

Don't let facts get in your way, your agenda is clear. My stats indicate I do much better in the German gear than in the American stuff. How do you explain that? To say that the number of sorties and the purpose of those sorties are unimportant tells me you are hardly unbiased.

I agree that Chog is not the best plane in the set. But I dont care, HTC (pyro) said clearly that their standards for perking planes were to avoid unballancing the main arena. IMO the Nik and Chog DO unballance the arena.

And I respect your opinion, though I don't share it.

Of course its up to HTC to:

1-redefine their policy of perking
2-say the Chog and N1k2 aren't unballancing the main arena.

3. ignore the whole issue. You haven't proven anything as far as I can tell.

But as it is, this is annoying as hell. And no, I wont have more fun flying in 109F4 or C202, you know why?

Why not? I thought you wanted people to take more of a challenge? Why not be a leader by example and challenge yourself?

because in any plane I fly I will keep on seeing seas of niks and chogs.

What about the P-38's, 109's, Spits, P-51's, 190's, B-17's, Lancs... we must be playing different games, because I see about everything out there. There are areas that are guaranteed 1C magnets (ground attack, CV's) but aside from that I see more stangs and 109's than anything else.

You contradict yourself much. You want more of a challenge (for others apparently), but you won't try to do something different. You want to legislate us into planes that you can kill more easily in your ride of choice.

[AKDejaVu]

The only real point I was trying to make with my statement is that I don't see N1Ks and F4u-1Cs wherever I go.

I do see many F4u-1Cs when an enemy CV is near a base.  But guess what... there is only a grand total of 6 CVs in the whole fricking map.  If you don't want to see F4u-1Cs, be somewhere else.

If you feel it is your right to fly where you want, when you want and see exactly what you want, then you are the one with the problem.

AKDejaVu

[Fury]

The whole "millions of chogs and nikkies" is foreign to me too.  I don't fly a ton, probably 10 hours a week, but I must be flying at weird times, because I don't see hoardes of chogs and nikkies.

When I do see a lot of hogs, all I see is F4U.  How can you tell if it's a c or d hog?  I can't tell the difference, the icon says F4U...unless I am d100 from one, then I might be able to tell the difference.  But I don't ever get to d100 and when someone is on my six, I don't take the time to see if it's a d or c hog.  I guess that's my question, when flying within icon range of an F4U, how can you tell if it's c or d?

Fury

[Kieren]

Yellow cowl ring means you are facing the 1D.

BTW, glad to see I wasn't the only one that didn't see a sea of F4U's everywhere I go.