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Ripsnort · « **Reply #30 on:** September 19, 2004, 09:11:38 AM »

Sure, there is no evidence of an exchange of drugs, just like the guy getting busted selling cocaine and then telling the cops "I sold to this guy, this guy.." etc. No circumstantial evidence does indeed equal no prosectution.

Stringer · « **Reply #31 on:** September 19, 2004, 09:25:49 AM »

Strength is a plus, no doubt, but.........Swing Technique is more important than strength.

Good technique, or swinging inside the ball is what allows you to lay off pitches and swing later. Quick hands, not strong hands, allow you to lay off pitches until late and then when you combine that with a nice short, or inside swing you get a bat that stays in the power zone longer. The power of the swing comes from the legs and hips. But it's not just brute force. You have to have good technique and timing when you bring those hips and legs into the swing.

I'd say most of Bonds improvements in hitting and slugging percentage have come from him improving his swing mechanics over the years. Plus, 11 years of seeing pitches has got to help you become a better contact hitter, you at least get more discerning in the pitches you swing at.

It's a simpleton's arguement to lay it at the feet of one thing (drugs). If he is taking roids, then I think it's stupid, because it doesn't help your hitting as much as working on your mechanics.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #32 on:** September 19, 2004, 09:31:30 AM »

Performance Enhancers allow one to recover quicker, work out more often, take more reps when working with technique and bulk up quicker.

It's a simpleton's arguement to dismiss the facts that medically prove steroids can help one improve their performance. After all, they don't call them "Performance Enhancers" for nothing.

Reschke · « **Reply #33 on:** September 19, 2004, 10:42:16 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Bonds claims it is nutrition and excersize. But if it is supplements I say so what? Supplements have nothing to do with hitting a baseball. Strength has nothing to do with bat speed, or hand eye coordination.

I gotta disagree with this one. Bat speed is directly proportional to the amount of muscle fibers that someones body can recruit to work quickly. Not all steroids are for pure size and power as you all believe either. Many of them have strength as a byproduct of what you are specifially working towards.

Bonds secretis nothing more than longevity. Although I don't doubt that he was taking something a little extra.

Bonds career statistics

Mini D · « **Reply #34 on:** September 19, 2004, 11:27:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
Strength is a plus, no doubt, but.........Swing Technique is more important than strength.

Good technique, or swinging inside the ball is what allows you to lay off pitches and swing later. Quick hands, not strong hands, allow you to lay off pitches until late and then when you combine that with a nice short, or inside swing you get a bat that stays in the power zone longer. The power of the swing comes from the legs and hips. But it's not just brute force. You have to have good technique and timing when you bring those hips and legs into the swing.

I'd say most of Bonds improvements in hitting and slugging percentage have come from him improving his swing mechanics over the years. Plus, 11 years of seeing pitches has got to help you become a better contact hitter, you at least get more discerning in the pitches you swing at.

It's a simpleton's arguement to lay it at the feet of one thing (drugs). If he is taking roids, then I think it's stupid, because it doesn't help your hitting as much as working on your mechanics.

Spot on. The more I see people post on this subject, the less they seem to understand baseball. You pretty much summed up most of the issues that weigh in before strength. Possible adding the intangeables such as vission and consistancy. Mechanics are definately the key, and strength can help, but can also hurt those mechanics. It's not the "makes you a better hitter" cure all that everyone likes to pretend it is.

Mini D · « **Reply #35 on:** September 19, 2004, 11:31:50 AM »

BTW rip, you're quote is pretty indicative of your argument technique. You use zero real logic and neither does that author.

"Bonds at 195 lbs: .301/33 HRs and 52 stolen bases"

11 YEARS LATER

"Bonds at 235 lbs: .338/73 HRs"

IT MUST BE ROIDS!

Yes... hard to argue with that one.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #36 on:** September 19, 2004, 11:44:03 AM »

He *may or may not* have used steroids. It is not impossible that he added muscle mass through hard work, nutrition, and legal supplementation. At the age of 26 I weighed 175 lbs. 4 years later I weighed 225lbs with less body fat. It's not impossible, and with his money he can afford a chef, strength trainer, etc.

Having said that....baseball sucks, any time spent worrying about it is wasted time.

SOB · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2004, 01:13:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
....baseball sucks, any time spent worrying about it is wasted time.

Raub makes an excellent point.

Stringer · « **Reply #38 on:** September 19, 2004, 01:37:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort

It's a simpleton's arguement to dismiss the facts that medically prove steroids can help one improve their performance. After all, they don't call them "Performance Enhancers" for nothing.

I guess that statement might be, and I stress might be, relevent if it's ever proven that Bonds took sterioids.

Until then, it's not.

JBA · « **Reply #39 on:** September 19, 2004, 01:44:31 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
roids don't help you hit a freakin ball.

WTG Barry.

BS, when he hits one out with one hand on the bat,

IT"S THE ROIDS. He's a cheater and should be banned from baseball.

United · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2004, 01:48:29 PM »

Baseball and golf are not about how big and strong you are, though being strong does help. Most sports that involve swinging a club, bat, etc... like hockey, golf, and baseball, is rythem. I've seen a guy, 5-10, 180 pounds hit a baseball 450 feet. Tell me that was steroids.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #41 on:** September 19, 2004, 06:28:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
I guess that statement might be, and I stress might be, relevent if it's ever proven that Bonds took sterioids.

Until then, it's not.

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2004, 07:32:39 PM »

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Originally posted by United
Baseball and golf are not about how big and strong you are, though being strong does help. Most sports that involve swinging a club, bat, etc... like hockey, golf, and baseball, is rythem. I've seen a guy, 5-10, 180 pounds hit a baseball 450 feet. Tell me that was steroids.

That was steroids.

Stringer · « **Reply #43 on:** September 19, 2004, 07:38:34 PM »

I take it Rip, you are agreeing with me, that your statement is not relevent?

SOB · « **Reply #44 on:** September 19, 2004, 07:41:36 PM »

Don't confuse him.