so, you think you're all that?

[Shane]

Originally posted by AWRaid
I don't need an excuse nor do I have to prove anything.

then you had no need to start and try anklehumping your betters.

[AWRaid]

Actually ace, I'm a USAF F-16 pilot.


Don't hurt me in AH2!

[Morpheus]

Screw nibble nibble.

He just swallowed the bait whole. Hook, line and sinker... 8)

[Shane]

ahhh i guess we found voss...

if you squint just right that hammer and sickle looks like a scorpion about to strike.



i can see why you  might be afraid to go up against virtual pilots - it'd shatter your ego. i mean, aren't some joysticks based on f-16 sticks? fly by wire, fly by cpu... same-same. or you telling me you're having difficulties with simulator training too?  

[Morpheus]

lmfao... Was thinking the same but wasnt going to... well... you know 8)

lol Shane. 8)

We gotta get into the DA and do some duelin man. I am not going to join the ladder but I would like to knock this summer rust off.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by AWRaid
Actually ace, I'm a USAF F-16 pilot.


Don't hurt me in AH2!

wow didn't know the USAF had an airbase in siberia,  thanks for the heads up AWRaid, always enjoy finding out stuff like that.......

[beet1e]

It's odd how this duelling ladder business is deemed to be a yardstick of "skill", when those who express that POV would, in the same breath, proclaim that "rank does not mean a thing" in the MA.

Being good in a duelling ladder means one thing - you're good at the particular game (and version of said game) that is the subject of said duelling ladder. You've learned all the nuances and gamey tricks there are to know, and you've fine tuned your stick settings to the nth degree to suit a particular plane  in a particular game.

But does it mean anything else? Probably not. In my tenure in flightsimdom, I have fought against RL fighter pilots, and was surprised to discover that at the height of my game (1999/2000) I could beat one or two of them quite easily. The main reason is probably that these games are good simulations, but come nowhere close to an RL flying experience.

It's somewhat anomalous to look at that ladder and see that one guy who shone in AH1 could not hack AH2 and deleted his account. Another has recently retired from AH2, but in another thread expresses a desire to continue privately with AH1. Hmmm - why would that be then? Psst - the flight model and gunnery model in AH1 were flawed - that's why they brought out AH2 - more power to their elbow...

Of course, some might try the duelling ladders as a way of having fun, and there can be no denying the ego stroking properties of such an enterprise, these perhaps being the principal reason for why some of the participants are there in the first place.

But I would no more participate in a duelling ladder to discover who was "best", any more than I would pour ££££ into the "Golden Tee" video golf game at my local pub, get my initials to the top of the rankings, and then crow to Tiger Woods about how good I was at video golf.

[AWRaid]

Shane: I've only played AH2 in h2h. I am sure you could beat me, I just wanted to get you mad. Obviously you're the one with the tiny little ego getting mad over a game:)

Thus I proved my point. Ladder is something for arm-chair warriors to thump their chests about. I'm glad you're so skilled at a video game. Mama and Daddy must be thrilled now if only you'd move out of their basement they'd probably buy you a cookie too.


Teq: We don't.


As beetle said, being a pilot of any sort doesn't make you all that great of a flight sim GAME pilot. Just as a GAME pilot would know nothing of REAL flying.  Besides it's different from game to game, sure you have some basic ACMs..etc but a game is a game, there is not one of you that could go from being a 1337 AH pilot and enter a brand new game and kill a 1337 pilot from that game, just won't happen. Nor is AH the best flight sim ever made, may be to you because you're good at it but doesn't mean it is the best.


Dueling 1 v 1 also has nothing to do with MA skill. You do not need SA in a duel, in MA SA is pretty much the most important thing. Countless other "skills" that duels do not require that are required in MA. So my original point about it being a way to make you feel better about yourself and inflate your ego stands. Shane obviously needs it!

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by beet1e
It's odd how this duelling ladder business is deemed to be a yardstick of "skill", when those who express that POV would, in the same breath, proclaim that "rank does not mean a thing" in the MA.

Being good in a duelling ladder means one thing - you're good at the particular game (and version of said game) that is the subject of said duelling ladder.  

I cut your reply short on quoting it beetle, no offense,

I have the opinion of a dueling ladder only shows how good the participating people are at dueling in as close as a fair fight is possible, it shows nothing more, and nothing less, I do not necessarly think it means you are good at the game as a whole, you might be but the ladder does not help prove this, and really it is only dueling 1 vs 1 in same planes, loadouts etc., there is nothing else.

now as for the game as a whole, how many times have you seen  numerous fair or close to fair fights in any arena? out side of a organized duel?

to me dueling has no bearing on the game , it only shows who is good at dueling amongst the participants of said ladder.......... this is my serious view not any junk talk ( no one saw my ill attempt at humor I guess )


also: it is another way to attain enjoyable fun and entertainment from the game

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by AWRaid


Teq: We don't.


Dueling 1 v 1 also has nothing to do with MA skill. You do not need SA in a duel, in MA SA is pretty much the most important thing. Countless other "skills" that duels do not require that are required in MA. So my original point about it being a way to make you feel better about yourself and inflate your ego stands. Shane obviously needs it!

ah Rgr Raid, heck I didn't know didn't even bother to look it up......

as for the 1 vs 1 Dueling needs no SA,  I don't see where you would think this, if you are really a F16 pilot in real life,

SA is in my view always the most important thing........before anything else......regardless of which arena you are in or if in real life flying........just my view, ain't tryin to be or sound hateful

[Shane]

Originally posted by AWRaid
spin, spin, spin

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AWRaid
but a game is a game, there is not one of you that could go from being a 1337 AH pilot and enter a brand new game and kill a 1337 pilot from that game, just won't happen.

[/b]

Wrong.  The Aces High vs. Warbirds challenge awhile back showed that players from either game could do a pretty good job of competing with the best that the other had to offer in a very short period of time.

Dueling 1 v 1 also has nothing to do with MA skill.

The two are definitely correlated but not perfectly so.  Those who excel in the dueling ladders tend to do well in the arenas when they play for rank.  I do agree, however, that situational awareness plays a very important part in MA success.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[WldThing]

Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I wonder... If this will get some of the big guns to come out from the shadows and re-claim their titles?

This will be much phun.

I was on the original flightsimladder,  was up in the ranks for 5 months with no challenger,  would it be the same in AH2?

[B17Skull12]

Originally posted by WldThing
I was on the original flightsimladder,  was up in the ranks for 5 months with no challenger,  would it be the same in AH2?

i still say you suck but hey who am i to talk;) .

No the AH1 ladder was well um inactive.

[Shane]

Originally posted by WldThing
I was on the original flightsimladder,  was up in the ranks for 5 months with no challenger,  would it be the same in AH2?

naw, cuz you'd be so rusty and suxorzy by now u'd remain unranked.