Superfly please let me help with cockpit frame and nose top dimensions of B-24J!!!!

[Citabria]

SUPERLFY!!! all known plan view drawings of the liberator nose
 and canopy frame are inaccurate!!! ive exhaustively research
correct proportions of this because its bothered me since every
plastic model b24 is wrong andwarbirds 3d model was wrong.


its been driving me up the wall for years hehe.

if you have 3dsmax i can send you my files on what i came up
with in a generally correct look for the canopy but even mine isnt
spot on. its unfinished because i returned the 3dsmax6 so i could
buy multigen but decided not to buy multigen hehe.

aside from the nose the wings and engine cowlings look
excellent. but the outboard engines the top cowlings should be
 level with the highest chord  area of the wing. (inboards should
be too)

plans of the tail fins may be inaccurate! they might not angle
back that much.

i have 1/12 scale plans from palmer plans I can send you at no
charge just because I want to see this plane done right.  
http://www.mag-web.com/rc-modeler/palmer/product.html

I also have many large scale plan view files!!! much variety very
large tiff files. the origional factory drawings of the b24
remarkably are not around anymore and artists interpretations
are all that remains (and all artists thus far have been incorrect)


this is the only aircraft i will ever bug you about being perfect
 because ive been wanting to see an accurate b24 for so many
 years I started building one myself haha!!!

let me know if you will allow my assistance on the dimensions of
this aircraft because i have been looking at it for so long i know
 about every detail of it and though its hard to get the
dimensions accurate.. TRUST ME IVE TRIED I KNOW!! I can tell you
100% when it looks right.

I will never nitpick another airplane again I swear just promise
 me this one.. the pilots canopy and nose and the look of it (tail
 angle and stuff) will be on the money

this is the plane that if you can capture the look of (its hard as
 hell to do) its gonna be skinned and screenshotted to death
because there are a lot of people that are in love with this plane!


but i think by your post you said its a taste of what it will look like
 and damn its gonna be great when its done

[Mitsu]

Your thread subject is inaccurate too, Cit.

[Karnak]

I was waiting for this post.  I even knew the subject matter would focus on the cockpit and nose.

[Citabria]

hahaha b34 oops typo.

[GRUNHERZ]

How can we trust this candidate when he cant even get the name of the airplane right? How can we trust a man who renounced the symbols of his bomber? How can we trust Citabria's plan to fix the B24 quagmire? How

We cant!

[Easyscor]

Heck, just send him the files.

Then he'll have something to see what you're talking about.

[Citabria]

heres pics of it let me know if you need the files for reference or
 anything. or let me know what you need to get the dimensions
right. pictures? I have lots of those too! and just to make sure
you know you are seriously kickass modeller and its the poor
reference plans available not any lack of modelling ability.. which
 you have in abundance!

medium poly model around 2000 triangle count (unfinished) if i
 remember right


this is a pb4y so engine cowlings and tail different but the pilots
canopy is the same and nose is except for the portion forward of
the navigator dome  because of the erco ball turret. some early
b24d pics too before i converted it to a pb4y (b24j is readily
 convertable to a pb4y btw (but please make sure b24 canopy
 and nose and tail angle and engine cowling location correct first
hehe) I also have good pb4y plans

[Citabria]

here is some info on the tail angle and some other info hehe.

Extraction from USAAF documentation on the B-24D-CO ( same as b24J except nose and tail turret)

Stablizer:
a) Span (C.L. fin to C.L. fin) 26'0"
b) Maximum chord 7'-8-3/16"
c)Airfoil NACA 0015
d) Incidence 2 degrees


Fin:
airfoil NACA 0007

wing:
a) Airfoil
 1. Root C.V.A.C. 22%
 2. Tip C.V.A.C. 9.3%
b) root chord @C/L fuselage 14'0"
c) incidence 3 degrees
d) dihedral (on upper chord line) 3 degrees 26 min.
e) sweepback-leading edge 3 degrees 30 minutes

Areas:
Wings (including aileron & extended flaps)  1192.0 sq ft.
Ailerons at hinge (total aft hinge) 64.3 sq. ft.
Flaps (total) 144.0 sq. ft.
Stabilizers (to elevator hinge) 125.0 sq ft.
elevators (including trim tab) 67.05 sq. ft.
fin 139.0 sq. ft.
Rudder, both (including trim tabs) 48.8 sq ft.

setting and ranges of movement of control surfaces:
1. Ailerons
a) Up (from neutral) 20 degrees)
b)Down (from neutral) 20 degrees

2 Flaps (total) 40 degrees

3. Elevators
 (a) Up (from streamline with stab) 30 degrees
 (b) Down (from streamline with stab) 20 degrees

4. Rudder
 Right and left from streamline with fin 20 degrees

[Citabria]

basically dont go by the plans for the final shape of the nose and pilots canopy frame you need to go by lots of photo references and eyeball it.

[oboe]

I think this thread may be a good reason HTC shouldn't stay so quiet for so long about what planes they are doing.   The B-24 may be too far along now to justify going back and fixing what Citabria has found through his research.    By keeping plane development such a secret, you run the risk of losing the ability to take advantage of valuable input from the community.

Anticipation beats suspense.

[Citabria]

if multigen is as good as 3dsmax6 everything is adjustable

and since its onlyexternal model so far it should be within adjustable levels of detail.

[Drunky]

I think Cit, like towd, is fantical, paranoid and mentally unstable.  The kind of person that would gun down an office building simply because someone at the office wouldn't agree with his singular POV.

BTW...thanks Furious.

[Citabria]

no just b24 is favorite plane and its never been done right.

its time to get it right.

[Vudak]

Fester if it's your favorite plane maybe you could answer this question for me...  Polk City, Florida, has an air museum...  I went there oh maby eight years ago but I could *swear* that they had a B-24 parked outside on display...  The bomber on the inside was just part of a B17 you could climb in and "man the guns" but man I could swear there was a B24 sitting outside with the velvet ropes and whatnot around it!

Are you saying that not a single one still exists, period?

[MOIL]

There was a B24 here in WA State just a few months back. They flew it in from Seattle. Then it was on it's way back somewhere in CA.

Got some pic's if ya want I can post.