One of the ENY limiter's greatest accomplishments

[Arlo]

Yeah ... you heard right. An accomplishment. One that alot of players seem oblivious to. The ironic thing is some of the loudest detractors try to use it to "prove" that the ENY limiter is broken.

What's the accomplishment?

Why, it's simple. Winning the "war" without uber-planes. That's right. I'll say it again. WINNING without the UBER-planes.

Sure, there've been a handful of AH virtual pilots in the MA that fly the less uber stuff. But you know that I know that you know that I know that that number isn't a majority by any measure.

Would it have ever happened otherwise? Well, can't rightly say ... but it's highly doubtful. HIGHLY doubtful.

So ... there ya go. It can be done. The less uber planes can be flown (granted, in a huge fuggin' mob) and outstanding success can still be attained.

Anyway .... I reckon the unhappy horde (no matter who or on what side) will eventually whine away the ENY limiter .... but I'm glad I got to see it inspire some to rise above the norm (even kickin' and screamin'). Those who took their ball and left (sorta), shoulda stuck around. They may have had a good time ... if they had let themselves.

"But ARLO! That's not what it was DESIGNED to do!"

Eh .... if someone works on developing a cure for flatulence and it ends up curing cancer ..... I'm sure the protest will be shrill.


Well .... just figured I'd share that insight.

Some of us will still be having fun with it on or off or tweaked or whatever.

p.s. Fly Rangoon. It'll be an experience you'll never forget.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Arlo
Yeah ... you heard right. An accomplishment. One that alot of players seem oblivious to. The ironic thing is some of the loudest detractors try to use it to "prove" that the ENY limiter is broken.

What's the accomplishment?

Why, it's simple. Winning the "war" without uber-planes. That's right. I'll say it again. WINNING without the UBER-planes.

...

I seem to recall saying the same thing about 3 weeks ago.

Which is why I think ENY can be a positive influence on the game once it gets properly tuned.

    -DoK

[beet1e]

If it's ever whined away, it will be whined away by stealth. It started with the ENY limiter being disabled when until arena attendance passed 140. So in Euro hours we are unable to benefit from it, as attendence might be as low as 90 in the morning.

Then shane came up and suggested it be disabled until arena attendance passed 350. That will probably happen.

Whenever HTC does some good, they seem to undo it in some way. Like when they instigated bomber formations - but made the 163 available to shoot them all down.

[Zanth]

I am on the east  coast and due to real life responsibilities, I go to bed at a reasonable hour.  I don't fly late at night, so I guess I see another side to this - and that is very balanced arenas.  (within about a 5 to 10% player margin per side)

Hitech has the real numbers, don't think anyone is going to sway him with any numbers they come up with.  But from what I see the system is working beautifully.  No need to second guess the folks that do this for a living.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Zanth
I am on the east  coast  

Anywhere near Grimsby?

[Fariz]

I am not an uber planes pilot. My usual rides -- la5 and yak's are almost never effected by ENY ballancing feature.

Yet I don't like it at all. I used to leave AH before also, for short periods of time or for a long ones, but I always wanted to come back. Probably it is a first time I left, packed my joystick and pedals into a box, and happy playing other online games. AH main is not interesting for me anymore, and good massive scenarios like recent BoB are not so often and only 8 hours per month.

I even can't explain why it is this way. Why I shall dislike the feature which does not affect my playing style, and why I dislike the feature which helps me (I am bishops pilot) to get easier kills against slower planes, and to defend my side easier. Probably it is my hatred to handicaps in games.

Sorry if it is not very constructive.

[Arlo]

Neh. A "handicap" is a golf pro adding strokes. In a death-grudge wraslin' match the 69 one-legged senior citizen war vets can still manage to possilby bite the 12 ninja kick-boxers to death.

[Mugzeee]

What war was won...when and by which country?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Mugzeee
What war was won...when and by which country?

You didn't hear about the "Rooks win reset in spite of ENY limiter!" thread? I'm paraphrasing the thread topic title from memory. I could be slightly wrong. It was hot news. The Rooks won the war with nothing but gliders and swiss army knives .... and were mad as hell about it for weeks.

[dragoon]

the map has stalled now that the numbers are balanced.




yep its werkin <----no matter how yez spell it

[Mister Fork]

Arlo, the Combat Theater has proven this fact even without ENY limiting as a factor.

We often have historical setups that seem so outbalanced, it looks like the favoured side will swamp and stamp their opponents.  But that doesn't happen.  It balances out through skill and determination.  Often, the weaker side works closley together than the other.  Of everyone in the CT, you should know this best.

Besides, Chuck Yeager has said this many times: "It's the man, not the machine."

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
Arlo, the Combat Theater has proven this fact even without ENY limiting as a factor.

We often have historical setups that seem so outbalanced, it looks like the favoured side will swamp and stamp their opponents.  But that doesn't happen.  It balances out through skill and determination.  Often, the weaker side works closley together than the other.  Of everyone in the CT, you should know this best.

Besides, Chuck Yeager has said this many times: "It's the man, not the machine."

Hell Fork ... I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that. But there's players in the MA that never woulda figured that out for themselves unless forced to do so. Get the true point of my post now?

[Don]

>>WINNING without the UBER-planes. <<

A moot point given the fact that this ENY limiter has been forced upon us.
From what I can see there are still an awful lot of uber dweeb rides being flown, just not by the country with the most numbers and... they still come in at ridiculous alts only to dive down and die
It seems to me, those who fly the 262's, la7s ad nauseum, Nikis, spits etc. use those a/c for an advantage; to pad their scores; to run away; to troll around until a kill falls into their laps, or to simply win in the best way they know how.  It is downright disappointing to see hordes of them in a conga line chasing after a lone nme. This is the way it has been since I came over to AH, and it hasnt changed.
There remains the kamikaze attackers; the alt monkees (in the plane types I described); the HO dweebs and those who will game the game by flying off the map to attack oh...say the Rook HQ And finally, dare I include the dreaded killshooter, which still sux rocks regardless of what opinions in support of it are

If Arlo's point is that ENY forces them to fly a/c with (ahem) more realistic or challenging flight characteristics, then I see his point but, don't see it having an overall influence.
Hehe, and as for whiners (from any country), there is a prevailing attitude among some, that this ENY thing has come about because of them
Now the ENY thing has flaws too, and I can't help but think there is no point to relegating any side to flying gooneys If balance is the purpose and the wisdom then, I am looking for that reality in this ENY thing and haven't seen it or found it. If balance of planetypes is desired then perk the dang things and be done with it.
OTOH, if ENY can keep those who jump countries to simply get perk points, then there is perhaps one point in favor it

[DREDIOCK]

I've aid it before and I'll say it again...

A Horde is a horde is a horde

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by dragoon
the map has stalled now that the numbers are balanced.




yep its werkin <----no matter how yez spell it

I dont attribute this  to ENY as much as I do the significant drop in overall numbers
Unless of course it was the intention all along to have less people play.
In which case it has worked splendedly