>>Bush did not have his best night , that's for sure but he didn't lose even despite that.<<
I could live with that statement. I think it will be hard for Bush spin doctors to claim a win in that debate (without looking totaly absurd), and less hard for Kerry spin doctors to claim a win. It was close, but I'd give it to Kerry. I mean there was one time Bush objected and got a 30 seconds of time and had nothing to say so had to fall back on the "mixed messages" mantra.
Kerry did some dumb things too (like hinting he would stop permanent bases in Iraq), but there are more than enough Bush people to point those out.
What suprised me is before tonight , I thought Kerry was a sinking ship. He didn't come across as a sinking ship - he did very well.