Originally posted by RobMo68
I am usually one of the pilot's flying the goon, and there is usually at least 1 or 2 goons that up with evey mission to a base.
More often than not, there is NO PROTECTION for the goon. Everyone is going full tilt boogie into the base, often leaving the goons behind to fend for themselves. And of course there is always a goon hunter out, sweeping out around, and behind the main body of the attack force, because he knows that the goon is unprotected and alone.
I'm sure that most of you know how frustrating it is, to get within site of the base, or on station at the base, waiting for the last building to be dropped, only to be shot down from behind, for the lack of protection for the goon.
YOU HAVE GOT TO PROTECT THE GOON,period.
Otherwise, you risk prolonging the attack while waiting for the goon to re-up and get on station, and risk a counter force coming in and sweeping out the attack force.
And don't start with the "You got to vary your approach to the target", been there, done that. I've tried misdirection, varying altitudes, NOE, 20k. There is always someone out there hunting the goon, and they usually find one, and kill it!
Hmmm...... I'm wondering if this is your vast goon driving knowledge and base capture experience talking. In the past few months that you have flow, you have captured a sum total of ONE base in a c47. ONE.
Now those that tell you the best defence for a c47 is being low, and coming from an unusualy approach are totally 100% correct. You are not really able to protect goons. One guy, in a fast plane, can usually wreak havok on Goony drivers. There is really not much of a way to kill them 100% of the time. If the mission is grabin high, they can fly NOE on the deck, and get the goon. If you want to dedicate 6 pilots to goon protection only, the mission will usually not have the punch to take the base. I mean if you have 30+ in the mission, I suppose you can dedicate some guys to fly 5-10K up and out from the troops, and hope to intercept 'em, But unless they are all in 262's, and good luck staying with the goon in a 262, you can't really stop 'em.
The other night, we were in a mission and both of us were flying c47's. You followed the mission path, and flew directly AT the base we were attacking, in a straight line, behind the group. Anybody that has flow this sim. for any length of time knows "that" is almost SURE death of a c47. When I see a huge mission inbound, I just fly under/past them, and kill the stupid goon pilots that are inevetably behind them. In the mission wer were both in, you died 1/2 way to the base. Myself, I went a totally opposite direction, and approached the airfield from the other side. Granted I died also, to the exact same 262 dweeb, BUT I was OVER the town when I died. I made it there, and I was only seconds from dropping. We both died, but who's tactics, and sneaky flying GOT him to the town vs. only 1/2 way there? You then proceeded to whine for about 20min off and on on country chan. that we couldn't protect goons from 262's, which is actually quite silly. I can't COUNT how many times i've upped a 262, and killed dozens of goons, and single handedly kept them from taking the base.
Ya' need to listen and learn. Your at "that" stage of your flying career. You are very new, and need to try and learn from us, as opposed to pluggin' up your ears going "la la la la I am not listening, I think I know better." Out of your 52 c47 deaths in your AH life, you have a sum total of ONE base capture. One out of fifty two. Them pretty cruddy odds. Maybe find someone who has a bit more succesful experience in flying troops, and try to emulate their tactics.
Looking at just a few of my past recent months (3 tours, about how long you have been with us, and i'm hardly a c47 driver), I had 9 captures vs. 4 deaths. I HATE flying troops, and I'll usually up an m3 instead, but I GOT 9 capt. vs. 4 deaths by being sneaky and smart about HOW I flew in the troops. I took the extra 10-15min, to approach from a direction the enemy hopefully won't be looking at, and I'm reasonably succesful in my tactics.
Bottom line, the best defense in a c47, is being sneaky and smart. Wanting to depend on the flying skills of others to keep you alive is a good formula for geting frustrated in AH.
