Russian school amssacre

[WhiteHawk]

Lookout for Russia to go on the offensive.   Putin Just reserved the right to go into whatever country necessary to 'pre empt' another terrorist strike.
   Wow, he couldve very easily staged that thing just to give him that blanket coverage to break any and all international laws.   I demand a trial!!!!!!!!!
  Why would the chechens do something like that?  They are bleeding russia to death using similar tactics that are being employed in Iraq?  How do we really know this ugly, dirty, smelly, bearded terrorist was responsible?  Oh yea, we are told he claimed responsibility.  What an idiot.
  Sound familiar?  Hold on to your arses, its gonna be along one.

[GRUNHERZ]

Oh my - the 911 government conspicary lunatics have gone to russia now...

Yes Putin killed those kids in Beslan - he orchestated this fake hostage crisis, he also bombed the two russian airliners, he also did the subway bombings and of course the riussians staged the recent theater hostage crisis too...  You see the people there were gassed because they recoignized the hostyage takers to be russian special forces and not chechen islamic terrorists..

And of course, by your last refernce, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911.

Thank you for uncovuing the truth, all the terrorism doesnt exist and its all fdaked by our governments.

BTW did you know the Holocaust of WW2 was staged by the world jewish bankers kabal and their lackeys in the western governments?  They learned how to do this by faking the invasion of  Poland in 1939 too, just to provoke Hitler into accepting rsponsibilty for the war...

And hey continue to do it all today, the evil bastards. Now instead of nazis they target poor little islamic groups like Al Qaeda or the Chechen terror gangs...

[Maniac]

Here we go again.

The 9/11 attacks were done by Saudis, not Iraqis....

[ra]

I thought whitehawk was being sarcastic?

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Oh my - the 911 government conspicary lunatics have gone to russia now...

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And of course, by your last refernce, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911.

Ummm, that is not my last reference.  I just believe it to be my patriotic duty to seek the truth, which requires the presentation of eveidnce on both sides.  This is the American justice system that was engineered by our founding fathers.  I get suspicious when the justice system is bypassed, which it was for 911.  
  Not only the US justice system, but that of the world.
  I would hide my head in shame as a commie stooge if I believed the 'official story' before I beleive my own eyes.
  I can certainly understand anyone who refuses to investigate the eveidence because if the 'official story' is not true, then what is the truth?  Are we living in a haunted house?
  Since you are so eager to give me my opininion in your quote above, I will assume you are asking me if that is my opinion.
  The answer is 'no'.  I believe Bin Laden was a major factor in the attacks of 911.  But, the eveidence is overwhelming, that he had help.  The question is, from who?
  Let me ask you this, Grun, assume that your favorite newsman broke a story that the CIA has uncovered evidence of inside help for the 911 attacks.  Would you want to know who helped?

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by ra
I thought whitehawk was being sarcastic?

either that or he needs to talk to his supplier.  That stuff is something special.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
 How do we really know this ugly, dirty, smelly, bearded terrorist was responsible?  Oh yea, we are told he claimed responsibility.  What an idiot.
  Sound familiar?  

No way were you making a reference to bin laden and 911...

Why do you make lunatic satements like this and then flinch when somebody calls you on it?

[Suave]

Whitehawk you are in error imagining that the fundementals of our justice system should be applied to national security and warfare. Law enforcement is reactionary, police can only act on criminals after the crime has been commited.

A judicial system's purpose is mainly concerned with justice, punishment, or vengance if you like.

National secuirity forces are in the buisiness of keeping us safe. Logically, if they wait untill we are attacked they are not doing their job. By definition defence and security forces are proactive, not reactive.

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by Suave
Whitehawk you are in error imagining that the fundementals of our justice system should be applied to national security and warfare. Law enforcement is reactionary, police can only act on criminals after the crime has been commited.

A judicial system's purpose is mainly concerned with justice, punishment, or vengance if you like.

National secuirity forces are in the buisiness of keeping us safe. Logically, if they wait untill we are attacked they are not doing their job. By definition defence and security forces are proactive, not reactive.

Finally someone is able to post a refreshing logical post, thank you suave.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Suave
Whitehawk you are in error imagining that the fundementals of our justice system should be applied to national security and warfare. Law enforcement is reactionary, police can only act on criminals after the crime has been commited.

A judicial system's purpose is mainly concerned with justice, punishment, or vengance if you like.

National secuirity forces are in the buisiness of keeping us safe. Logically, if they wait untill we are attacked they are not doing their job. By definition defence and security forces are proactive, not reactive.

In response to your top paragraph, a number of colmbine style school massacres were thwarted before children died.  A proactive approach by the police prevented the crime, this is niether nat'l security or warfare.  So , although elequintly written, your top paragraph is false.

Your middle paragraph is absolutely correct.  And this is where i part ways the majority of folks here.  I believe it is important to punish the guilty.  Guilty is a legal term, it requires a 'verdict', which requires presented evidence, both prosecutory and defensive.  This is necessary to prevent 'frame ups'.  the procedure here, which has been legislated away by the patriot act in some situations, is called a trial.  We can spend countless billions on 2 wars, but we cant have a trial to legitimaize them?


Your last paragraph is obvious.  Get them before they get us.  It also forces thier hands into getting us before we get them.

[GRUNHERZ]

There you go talking about "frame-ups" again...

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No way were you making a reference to bin laden and 911...

Why do you make lunatic satements like this and then flinch when somebody calls you on it?

Not sure what you are saying here grun.

I am simply saying, Russia has now empowered itself to invade any country it sees fit, wtihout any aprroval of the UN. This is a mammoth bypass of  international laws.  These new rules are brought about by a commando raid by a chechyan terror group on a group of schoolchildren.  How can u be so sure that the russians are telling us the truth?  I am not trying to insult you, I just cannot understand how you can just gobble up every offcial story, so long as they say, 'bad terorist did it'?

[GRUNHERZ]

And why should anybody gobble up  your story that the Russian govt faked it?

Especially when the main chechen terrorist leader freely admitted to ordering the attack?  You know why? Because he's a terrorist, and thats what he does. He terrorizes people by taking hostages and blowing stuff up. Thats what the chechens have been doing since the mid 1990s...  Thats pefectly simple and cklear..

Yet you expect us to give any credibility to your extreme Putin did it story..  So whats your evidence that Putin did it? Show us.. Please show us...  

I can just come here and say that space aliens commited the beslan attack to hide abductions of children and that they are working for putin to give him authority to strike anyywhere.

Thats no less preposterous an argument as yours and supported by just as much evidence...

[AKIron]

Stinky bait.

[Elfie]

I agree with Putins declaration. Whatever it takes to stop terrorism is fine by me and all the UN weenies can cry 10 rivers when he carries out a preemptive strike.