Pyro - Can you post data about LW air-to-air rockets

[frank3]

Originally posted by artik
Hi Pyro,

There air-to-air rockets at LW fighters.

However no one knows how to use. The main problem is lack of relevant data.

Following data is requred to have some sucess with these rockets.

[list=1]

• Fuse time - how much time passes before the rocket explodes
• What is the rocket speed (with engine on)
• How fast does the speed of the rocket drops after the egine stops to burn
• What distance from bomber should the rocket when it explodes in order to hit it (approximate for B-17 or Lanc formation) or what is the range of damage for them

If this information was posted before can you give some links (hadn't found at forum)

Thanks

I find this one VERY good thread!
It was not long ago that I discovered we had air to air missiles!
This may not sound strange, but it does when I say I've been flying for over 5 years!

[Krusty]

Frank, it's not an uncommon reaction you've had. Most people don't realize they are air-to-air because they suck badly at anything, probably due to their flat trajectory. I consider it an oversight, but meh, it's been this way for 5 years. I guess nobody cares or gives a damn if they get fixed to actually be usable

A) they don't work well, leads to B) nobody uses them, leads to C) nobody knows they exist.

[artik]

Originally posted by frank3
I find this one VERY good thread!
It was not long ago that I discovered we had air to air missiles!
This may not sound strange, but it does when I say I've been flying for over 5 years!

1st - not missiles - rockets - missiles are guided once.
2nd - yes but it is very hard to train with them - you have only 2 in 190/109 and 4 in 110.

I know that the most sucesseful rockets where the rockets 262s had used they had 50 rockets that were fired in once. The pilots had told when the formation of 262 had fired all the rockets about 10 B-17 had exploded even no one could tell how many kills each one get.

Personaly I want to find out how to use them because:
I hate buffs

I want to find better way to deal with B-17s then with 20/30mm guns. Most of time I get killed so......

So HTC

PLEASE

post information about the fuses of these rockets and some information about rockets speed.

Thanks

[moot]

They are slanted and very effective, assuming proper motorneuron coordination.

[vorticon]

my tests show the fuse is about 4 - 5 seconds

[Pyro]

Originally posted by artik
Hi Pyro,

There air-to-air rockets at LW fighters.

However no one knows how to use. The main problem is lack of relevant data.

Following data is requred to have some sucess with these rockets.

[list=1]

• Fuse time - how much time passes before the rocket explodes
• What is the rocket speed (with engine on)
• How fast does the speed of the rocket drops after the egine stops to burn
• What distance from bomber should the rocket when it explodes in order to hit it (approximate for B-17 or Lanc formation) or what is the range of damage for them

Thanks

1- The fuse detonates after 5.25 seconds.  Under normal launch conditions I think that will put the detonation about 1100 yards in front of you.  
2- Looks like the speed peaks around 750 fps when the motor burns out.
3- I don't know without calculating it out and a precise answer would require a launch speed, altitude, and angle.  But I will say that it's an insignificant factor given the projectile weight, it's short life span, and it's velocity.
4- Well ideally, it would hit it.  Max damage range is 150 feet and the max effective range is probably half of that.

[GScholz]

How about the elevation of the launchers, will they be included?

[artik]

Originally posted by Pyro
1- The fuse detonates after 5.25 seconds.  Under normal launch conditions I think that will put the detonation about 1100 yards in front of you.  
2- Looks like the speed peaks around 750 fps when the motor burns out.
3- I don't know without calculating it out and a precise answer would require a launch speed, altitude, and angle.  But I will say that it's an insignificant factor given the projectile weight, it's short life span, and it's velocity.
4- Well ideally, it would hit it.  Max damage range is 150 feet and the max effective range is probably half of that.

Thanks a lot,

Very usefull information!!!

[artik]

Ok lets start calculations:

Free fall of object in T seconds is 0.5*g*T^2

0.5*10*5.25^2 ~ 140 meters

1100 yards ~ 1000 meters

tan(angle)=140/1000  ---> angle = 8 degrees.

Great.....

anybody nows what is the angle of view of the circle for default AH gunsite for 109/190.

If I not mistake the angle from the center is about 7-8 degrees?

That is the information I need...

Of corse the calculations are approximate but...... it is the point to start.

[moot]

GS, aren't the tubes already inclined?

[GScholz]

Yes, but the last time I checked when you fire the rockets they go straight (then down).

[MiloMorai]

artik

you might want to look at this thread

http://pub157.ezboard.com/fluftwaffeexperten71774frm27.showMessageRange?topicID=3.topic&start=1&stop=20

[storch]

Originally posted by GScholz
Yes, but the last time I checked when you fire the rockets they go straight (then down).

yes they do go down quite a bit. I usually fire from about 500 ft above as they do not have a parabolic trajectory.  It's pretty difficult to hit stuff with them.

[frank3]

I don't know if anyone already said this: but I thought you have to fire the rockets from about 1.2k away.

Either this or 1.0k

[DmdBT]

Would it be possible to bring up the "target" inflight and see where the rockets hit it at different ranges to help estimate the arc?