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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2004, 05:12:37 PM »
I work with a guy who owns an T type buick and I think he only upgraded the turbo.

He handed me a timeslip, 12.80

That was on street tires. He drives it everyday.

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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2004, 05:15:53 PM »
I think the 62 split window cp is really rare and fetching great money.

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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2004, 05:23:05 PM »
I said it was a fast car, It does have the technilogical advantages of 1986. The 60's, and 70's have to do with shear "muscle".

It wouldn't fall into MY catagory of "muscle cars" But it may fall into yours.
I wasn't dissing it, In fact I'll post some airbrushing I did on one.

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The GNXs were low 13 sec cars.  Unless you did a lot of work on the GTO I don't think it's any faster.

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2004, 05:23:31 PM »
I thought it was a 63 split window?  Damn... been out of the books for a long time.

The Grand National was pretty much the only real muscle car in the 80's.  It lept right in front of that camaro vs mustang debate that was raging on.  Of course, the '86 vette was no slouch either... but the Grand National still beat it.

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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2004, 05:25:20 PM »
1963 is the year of the split window Coupe vettes and they are rare, I think like 3000 or so, maybe?

Could be 9000?


I saw one in half moon bay a few years ago getting gas. Walked over and the owner opened the hood and it was a vintage fuely with it all still there and working. He almost had to whipe a milky substance from the side of the car!:D

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2004, 05:26:46 PM »
Eeeeeewwwwwwww bad visual GTO!!!!!

Yep the '63 is a sweet ride...and very rare:

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2004, 05:50:17 PM »
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1969 Dodge Daytona with 426
1968 Shelby GT500 with the 428 SOHC
1941 Willys coupe and truck
1940 Ford Pickup and coupe
Ford GT40

That's almost my list exactly. Just add:
66 Plymouth Sport Fury w/a 383 (my dad had one, just raw ******* horsepower)

65 Mercury Monterey Marauder w/a 390 (I had one in Seattle we christened the MPU, Mobile Party Unit)
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2004, 05:51:15 PM »
grand National airbrushing







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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2004, 07:02:32 PM »
Senna, I know what you posted here and now its gone. That was so sneaky!

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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2004, 09:25:38 PM »
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86' grand national was all smoke and mirrors, It was fast, but being from 86', It ( In my book) wouldn't be in the 60-70 class muscle car. It really didn't have the torque, I really think my GTO would go just as fast draggin a trailer w/ a boat!

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A friend had a GN, but it had some electric brake system(it was a new system at the time) and kept failing. He would pick it up from the dealership and get a 1/4 mile away and have no brakes. Fastest production car had no brakes....brilliant!!
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2004, 11:44:57 PM »
How about the Benchmark high performance small car of the 1980s, the Shelby GLH-S.

 
Picture from Hotrod magazine, 1986. I still have my copy.

Basically an upgraded GLH Turbo (which was no slouch itself with 0-60 times in the low 7s). It made 175 bhp with a total weight of about 2,400 lbs. 0-60 came up in about 6 seconds flat, 1/4 mile in the mid 14s.

Straight-line power was just part of the GLH-S' charm. 69 mph in the slalom, .92g lateral acceleration around a skidpad and brakes taken from a full size sedan. Ultra-close ratio gear box and limited slip transaxle. Bilstein struts, Koni shocks and anti-roll bars so thick you'd swear they came from a truck.



I bought mine in new. I drove it up until 1993, I pulled it off the road and spent the next 8 months making it better. I swapped the 2.2 liter engine for a 2.5 liter motor from a low milage wrecked Dodge Spirit R/T. This engine made 224 bhp. 0-60 times fell down to the low 5 second range, markedly quicker than my current 2002 WRX. I sold it in 1997 to clear out the garage for a new project. I miss the violent dynamics of that little car. It was the ultimate sleeper, capable of beating some serious hardware. On an autocross course, it was unbeatable. Down a canyon road, only genuine "super cars" could contend with it. Even today, you would have to spend $30,000 on an Evo, just to keep up. I've driven only one car that had greater capabilities, and that was a new Caterham Super Seven (240 bhp, 1,427 lbs).
 

The beating that Caterham would give to a 60s or 70s muscle car would be a sight too horrible to witness.

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2004, 11:50:51 PM »
Yeah, well you aint' gonna get 4 or 6 guys in there smoking dope, so the American muscle cars got it beat.

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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2004, 12:33:18 AM »
Funny you should mention Shelby's...
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« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2004, 12:47:57 AM »
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Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Red if you don't mind, or since we are dreaming one of Dick Harrels ZL-1's will do.

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Seen the one in Louisville KY? The owner used to carry it to all the shows in the Southeast. Most optioned 69 ZL-1 in the world, was appraised at well over $500K.
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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2004, 12:52:34 AM »
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A friend had a GN, but it had some electric brake system(it was a new system at the time) and kept failing. He would pick it up from the dealership and get a 1/4 mile away and have no brakes. Fastest production car had no brakes....brilliant!!


the system was called Powermaster. It was an electric power brake system, that replaced the hydroboost (power brakes that were boosted by the power steering pump, system still used on 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks and diesels). It wasn't that you had no brakes, it was just that you had no power assist. My 84 TType has hydroboost.

The GN/TType IS a true muscle car, it DOES have a lot of torque. It was plenty quick as well.
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