Author Topic: Why France, Germany and Russia are pissed about Iraq (Read 1772 times)

anonymous · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2004, 02:43:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Don't forget the USA's part with Saddam, prior to Kuwait invasion.
Too easy to forget own mistakes.

mistake? iran was sworn enemy of us. iraq was at war with iran. "enemy of my enemy is my friend" especially when stronger of two if they won would directly threaten oil supply of us at height of cold war with sovs. surely you get "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? kind of like finns fighting with germany against sovs in world war two. but you dont see american calling finn nazi sympathizer here. probably because we have more mature view of the world and how it works?

anonymous · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2004, 02:48:11 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The USA reluctantly joins WWII when they get attacked by Japan and Germany declares war, after the rest of the world had been fighting for two years... and Jeezy calls it a unilateral action to bring democracy to the German and Japanese peoples (whom you killed by the hundreds of thousands and even nuked btw.). Top notch education there Jeezy.

why would we be eager to get involved? our president told all those idiots in europe that versaille would lead to disaster and not one of them listened. too eager to get "payback" on germany for a war all of europe was eager to take a swing at. so the brilliant france and england bankrupt germany and then dont step in early when they could have stopped the whole deal but their leadership too gutless to do so and somehow the fact that germany gets out of control is fault of america and not europe which surrounds germany at the time. and why so critical of us not getting involved? after all germany was no threat to us. iraq no threat to us in some idiots opinions and you screaming about us getting involved in iraq? which is it? act on behalf of friends and innocents or mind our own business?

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2004, 02:55:20 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
mistake? iran was sworn enemy of us. iraq was at war with iran. "enemy of my enemy is my friend" especially when stronger of two if they won would directly threaten oil supply of us at height of cold war with sovs. surely you get "enemy of my enemy is my friend"? kind of like finns fighting with germany against sovs in world war two. but you dont see american calling finn nazi sympathizer here. probably because we have more mature view of the world and how it works?

Not too found of history are you? Remember when FDR got in bed with Vichy's government and dismissed De gaulle and the Free French?

Torque · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2004, 03:46:59 PM »

Rip barking up the wrong tree and a 300 lbs black bear fell outta it.

anonymous · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2004, 03:47:08 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Not too found of history are you? Remember when FDR got in bed with Vichy's government and dismissed De gaulle and the Free French?

i see. that explains why fdr never backed the normandy landings that never happened?

as for vichy well those were frenchmen right? what right had fdr to oppose soveriegn french rule? i mean if people of france didnt support vichy they would have rose up and overthrown vichy? isnt current wisdom saying its wrong for us to intervene for oppressed when they should free themselves? mistake to protect south vn from communists. mistake to protect innocent iraqis from murdering dictator. mistake to protect french from their own french vichy govt. wasnt our business, right?

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2004, 04:00:26 PM »

Anonymous, your comments show without a doubt that you have no clue of what events I am refering too. Stop the "O'club history" 101 course, drop the "psychology for dumies" book and get some real education. Then, and only then, come have discussion about my country.

Steve · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2004, 04:04:00 PM »

Vichy French. *Snicker*

Turned on their own people.

*giggle*

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2004, 04:40:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Torque
Rip barking up the wrong tree and a 300 lbs black bear fell outta it.

anonymous · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2004, 05:30:20 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Anonymous, your comments show without a doubt that you have no clue of what events I am refering too. Stop the "O'club history" 101 course, drop the "psychology for dumies" book and get some real education. Then, and only then, come have discussion about my country.

educate me oh great one.

1.were the vichy french leaders frenchmen or germans?
1a.did the vichy french leaders round up jews?
2.did wilson speak out against versaille treaty?
3.whats your point about fdr and vichy govt? if vichy govt is ruling power in france is it better for statesman to recognize it or ignore it? degaulle and free french were capable of responsible for absolutely nothing at time fdr recognize vichy no? and while youre talking about free french who equipped them and delivered them to france to "liberate" their own country? was it the evil us again?

your soldiers are top notch worked with them many times. your govt and political leaders almost always have been useless and your own worst enemy. commies in french govt did best not to give your army fighting chance against germans. then withdraw from nato. then protect genocidal scum in bosnia because they killing the muslims that gave you such a hard time in algeria. then against deposing hussein over your precious contacts in hussein govt. and you have the gall to come here and act like us is evil. heres a tip us hasnt been around long enough to get even close to france and others in the race for evil govt points. dont be mad at me because your own frenchmen collaborated with genocidal nazis. be mad at them.

Dowding · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2004, 05:41:48 PM »

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"The report contains a long list of foreign officials and companies involved in helping Iraq -- while the names of Americans were blacked out because of privacy considerations."

That really is quite funny. And no-one comments on it.

AKIron · « **Reply #40 on:** October 07, 2004, 05:50:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
That really is quite funny. And no-one comments on it.

Maybe I overlooked it but that quote you posted isn't from the link starting this thread.

anonymous · « **Reply #41 on:** October 07, 2004, 05:55:33 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Maybe I overlooked it but that quote you posted isn't from the link starting this thread.

sometimes changing the subject away from uncomfortable topics takes a little work.

-MZ- · « **Reply #42 on:** October 07, 2004, 06:11:47 PM »

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Originally posted by anonymous
sometimes changing the subject away from uncomfortable topics takes a little work.

It is on-topic, and it is true.

The Bush admin will not release the names of the Americans (and the companies) involved becuase of 'privacy' issues. What a joke.

Of the oil companies, by the oil companies, and for the oil companies.

john9001 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 07, 2004, 06:14:37 PM »

the french have never forgiven the USA for invading france during WW2, the peacfull french were being defended by their german allies against the anglo-american invaders.

degaull never liked americans , before, during or after the war.

anonymous · « **Reply #44 on:** October 07, 2004, 06:22:35 PM »

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Originally posted by -MZ-
It is on-topic, and it is true.

The Bush admin will not release the names of the Americans (and the companies) involved becuase of 'privacy' issues. What a joke.

Of the oil companies, by the oil companies, and for the oil companies.

"The secret voucher program was dominated by Russian, French and Chinese recipients, in that order"

no outrage over this. only a comment on blacked out american names. nah no axe to grind or agenda here.