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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2004, 03:20:11 PM »
When I was in the USN some of the best diesel/electric boats were mfg by the Germans, is that no longer true?  The Norweigians had some of these German Boats in the late '70s and were very difficult to detect by the technology of the time.  I really haven't taken an interest in submarine warfare.

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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2004, 03:58:30 PM »
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1812 I think, but that was cause you guys started it...:D

ooops almost forgot.... eh!

You guys? Just cause I live here doesn't make me American mate. Persoanlly my country cant sell Nuclear subs to anybody, cause we aint got any

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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2004, 04:12:24 PM »
IN 1978 the Uss Groton cost about $370 Million.

In 1985, the Uss Augusta cost about $700 Million.  This was the same time the VLS boats were coming out (Uss Providence, SSN 719).  When the last 688 was commisioned in 1996, I believe they cost about $850 Million a pop.

The 688s were a good deal.  The Seawolf's were nice and pretty but not practicle for the times.  Plus they were extremely expensive.

IMHO, the new Virgina class is a huge mistake.  Smaller than the Seawolf it is still larger than the 688 class.  You have to understand the 688 is a huge boat.  A large, expensive ($1.5B a unit) Fast Attack like the Virginia is not feasible in todays battleground.

The US Navy should of lotted for a smaller, less expensive submarine.  This smaller sub could of carried the same weapon types and very capable sensors as the Virginia.

With the new COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) hardware and software size should of not been a problem.  The actually cabinets making up most of the processing equipemnt for  sonar, fire control, data processing, navigation, radio, ship control and communications can be configured into a much smaller package.  The size of a submarine is mainly determined by it's reactor plant. So make a huge submarine like the Virginia seems more of a political move than necessary one.

Years ago I used to take pride in calling myself and ex-bubblehead.  After seeing some of the crap that has been going on the silent service in the last 10 years, it is to the point where I am disgusted.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: What about this angle?
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2004, 04:51:13 PM »
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You guys? Just cause I live here doesn't make me American mate. Persoanlly my country cant sell Nuclear subs to anybody, cause we aint got any


Sorry I forgot you were a "colonial" as well, and I knew better...did not mean to give ya a bollocking...have g'day mate

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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2004, 05:13:23 PM »
Any of you guys are into modern day sub sims "Dangerous Waters" should be out in the near future been in development for years.

You can command, 688(I) Los Angeles class, the SSN-21 Seawolf class, and the Russian Akula class and the Russian Kilo-class diesel-electric submarine. There's also a Frigate,Orion and Helicopter.

One of the more interesting aspects is that you can play multiplayer each person controlling a different station.

http://www.subsim.com




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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2004, 09:56:54 PM »
Nowhere did I mention anything about US based reactors in my post.

Sorry you don't understand that.

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2004, 11:18:17 PM »
I understand your lack of comprehension of the issue perfectly.

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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2004, 11:44:34 PM »
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I wouldnt bet on that.

LA Class Subs, are constantly being renovated, adding new weapons systems, Theyll be the mainstay of our Sub Fleet until the Seawolf begins to replace them.



The Seawolfs are already being produced to replace the LA's.  At least what I've heard is that the LA is not being produced anymore and the Seawolf is being built in its place.


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« Reply #53 on: October 11, 2004, 02:14:34 AM »
alternativly you could look.
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The Seawolf is in service and production. Last of class is under construction and is way way bigger then the other two.

The virginia is under construction and replaces the LA class. Its the same lenght but quite a bit larger then the LA class.

LA  does rock though.



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« Reply #54 on: October 11, 2004, 06:06:49 AM »
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Yeah, where would Canadians get the uranium from? :rofl


Crazy bunch of madmen they know down in the south western Pacific could give them all the Uranium they can afford to buy, and we have great military and trade ties with them allready in place.

Why would you think it would be difficult for the Canadians to get hold of some Uranium, or Plutonium for that matter?
It isnt exactly all that rare.

Not really needing to and not being able to are very differant things.

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« Reply #55 on: October 11, 2004, 08:39:27 AM »
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Yeah, where would Canadians get the uranium from? :rofl



Niger of course! Bush reckoned there was heaps of it.



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« Reply #56 on: October 11, 2004, 08:53:15 AM »
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Niger of course! Bush reckoned there was heaps of it.



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« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2004, 08:59:48 AM »
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LMAO

Bugger, I was hoping for atleast orange. Maybe next time :lol



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« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2004, 12:38:32 PM »
There are 3 Seawolf's.

Uss Seawolf
Uss Conneticuit  (sp)
Uss Jimmy Carter

The Jimmy Carter was built to replace the Uss Parche (SSN 683) as a SPECOPS boat.  Probably stationed out of Mare Island.
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« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2004, 02:26:03 PM »
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alternativly you could look.
here

The Seawolf is in service and production. Last of class is under construction and is way way bigger then the other two.

The virginia is under construction and replaces the LA class. Its the same lenght but quite a bit larger then the LA class.

LA  does rock though.





Hmm...  that place looks familiar :)  I've only been on 688's but my coworkers have been on ships as far back as Skate and even further back.  They agree 688 is great - more room to move around in and cleaner.  I look forward to seeing other boats though, whenever that will be.

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