Author Topic: Another Victory in the War on Drugs (Read 4040 times)

Martlet · « **Reply #45 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:01:05 AM »

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And obviously, the punishment fit the crime.

It did. The punishment was within the sentencing guidelines. If people have a problem with those, they need to work to change the law.

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There are other punishments, Martlet, especially for first time misdemeanors.

I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying that he broke the law and was sentenced accordingly. Whether or not the laws are correct and the sentences too harsh is a completely different topic. He chose to break the law.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #46 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:15:09 AM »

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Originally posted by myelo
Everyone who smokes marijuana does it to "feel better". Same with cocaine.

He was smoking it to make him feel better due to his condition.
Not just to get high. like one does alcohol

bit of a difference.

Get REALLY sick sometime and your'll see what I mean.

nothing personal but

Untill that time comes.

You havent even the beginning of a clue

Curval · « **Reply #47 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:18:26 AM »

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Originally posted by myelo
Everyone who smokes marijuana does it to "feel better". Same with cocaine.

What about alcohol? Why do people drink?

Arlo · « **Reply #48 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:18:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
I'm not saying there aren't. I'm saying that he broke the law and was sentenced accordingly. Whether or not the laws are correct and the sentences too harsh is a completely different topic. He chose to break the law.

Which is not the point of this topic whatsoever.

Martlet · « **Reply #49 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:26:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Which is not the point of this topic whatsoever.

Um, did you forget to read the topic before you started yapping?

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There are so many things wrong here, it's hard to pick a starting point. While there was a gun found in the car, and that appears to be the Judges motivation, did she honestly believe the gun belonged to a quadriplegic and he was a threat to public safety? My guess is the fact he smoked marijuana for medicinal purposes and was unrepentant was her driving force. That and a "tough on dopers" sentencing record to brag about during elections.

Arlo · « **Reply #50 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:33:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Um, did you forget to read the topic before you started yapping?

No. Did you?

Sorry ... but in your "balck and white/right and wrong" world ... the judge actually screwed up. You can post your arse off defending it but you're not coming out of this sounding like the voice of reason.

Simple. An injustice was carried out by the system in the name of justice. Just because you can't see that doesn't make you the picture perfect model of lady justice ... even if you hold up some scales and put on a dress.

Maverick · « **Reply #51 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:37:46 AM »

Seems that the entire focus of several in this group posting on this is simply the marijuanna. I have to ask a couple questions about the entire situation.

What was he doing with a firearm in the vehicle in DC if he was truly a quadraplegic? Given the marijuanna usage which he claims he would continue only to make himself feel good, not for "medicinal" purposes, where does the cocaine come in? Not indicated in the article was the amount of cocaine either.

Frankly, there is insufficeint information in the one article to support either the Judge's or the quadriplegic's position here. Quite a bit of "rhetoric" has been dumped on the thread without any having even a significant fraction of the information the primary participants had. Lots of conjecture and "blame" without the entire story.

Martlet · « **Reply #52 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:45:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
No. Did you?

Sorry ... but in your "balck and white/right and wrong" world ... the judge actually screwed up. You can post your arse off defending it but you're not coming out of this sounding like the voice of reason.

Simple. An injustice was carried out by the system in the name of justice. Just because you can't see that doesn't make you the picture perfect model of lady justice ... even if you hold up some scales and put on a dress.

No, what's simple is this:

We have laws.
We have punishments for breaking them.
He broke the law.
He was punished in accordance with the law.

It's very simple. Even you can't spin it into something it's not. Keep trying, though.

Arlo · « **Reply #53 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:51:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
No, what's simple is this:

We have laws.
We have punishments for breaking them.
He broke the law.
He was punished in accordance with the law.

It's very simple. Even you can't spin it into something it's not. Keep trying, though.

No. What's simple is this.

He's a fuggin quadrapalegic that can't fuggin breathe on his own and the fuggin judge put him in jail for ten days then after he died said, "Wuh .. well ... I was informed that our jails are safe for quadrapalegics that have breathing problems. Whoopsie."

Followed by you saying, "System works. Everything's fine. Do do the crime if you can't survive the time."

Don't be obtuse.

Martlet · « **Reply #54 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:53:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
No. What's simple is this.

He's a fuggin quadrapalegic that can't fuggin breathe on his own and the fuggin judge put him in jail for ten days then after he died said, "Wuh .. well ... I was informed that our jails are safe for quadrapalegics that have breathing problems. Whoopsie."

Followed by you saying, "System works. Everything's fine. Do do the crime if you can't survive the time."

Don't be obtuse.

Two completely different topics.

He was sentenced and jailed for breaking the law. What happens after sentencing is not the fault of the judge.

Cripples don't get a "you can break the law" pass.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #55 on:** October 09, 2004, 09:57:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
No, what's simple is this:

We have laws.
We have punishments for breaking them.
He broke the law.
He was punished in accordance with the law.

It's very simple. Even you can't spin it into something it's not. Keep trying, though.

exeptions are made even in the enforcement of the law. Happens all the time

The friggen guy was a prisoner of his own skin for christ sakes.
and given his condition
Of what useful purpose was it to send him to jail.

the judge in this case seems like nothing more then a right wing zealot.
Then anyone with any kind of compassion , or common sence for that matter
It is a good thing that the rest of the world doesnt share in your black and white views.
You should only drop down on your knees and pray you dont ever end up in a similar situation.
what goes around tends to come around

Martlet · « **Reply #56 on:** October 09, 2004, 10:01:20 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

It is a good thing that the rest of the world doesnt share in your black and white views.
You should only drop down on your knees and pray you dont ever end up in a similar situation.
what goes around tends to come around

I wouldn't break the law.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I realize you would like to make the merits of pot smoking an issue, but your druggie ideals really have nothing to do with this case.

He broke the law.

Arlo · « **Reply #57 on:** October 09, 2004, 10:03:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Two completely different topics.

He was sentenced and jailed for breaking the law. What happens after sentencing is not the fault of the judge.

Cripples don't get a "you can break the law" pass.

Again .... you're the one who's missing the point and apparently damned proud of it.

The judge screwed the pooch. The judge had more options than sending a severly handicapped person that needed constant attention to a holding facility for 10 days (even if the judge convinced herself that such a sentence was safe in order to justify being able to keep the reputation of being hard-nosed). As a result of the judge's poor judgement, an option of punishment for a misdomeanor was chosen that turned into a death sentence. The judge IS accountable for her actions.

Welcome to America where the system is constantly under scrutiny.

Martlet · « **Reply #58 on:** October 09, 2004, 10:04:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Arlo
Again .... you're the one who's missing the point and apparently damned proud of it.

The judge screwd the pooch. The judge had more options than sending a severly handicapped person that needed constant attention to a holding facility for 10 days (even if the judge convinced herself that such a sentence was safe in order to justify being able to keep the reputation of being hard-nosed). As a result of the judge's poor judgement, an option of punishment for a misdomeanor was chosen that turned into a death sentence. The judge IS accountable for her actions.

Welcome to America where the system is constantly under scrutiny.

Actually, you're the one missing the point. The judge sentenced within the guidelines of the law.

The man had more options to him than intentionally breaking the law. He chose to ignore them.

Arlo · « **Reply #59 on:** October 09, 2004, 10:07:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Actually, you're the one missing the point. The judge sentenced within the guidelines of the law.

The man had more options to him than intentionally breaking the law. He chose to ignore them.

Actually, you're missing the point. The judge had more options than having someone convicted of a misdemeanor killed. She chose to ignore them. She needs to be disbarred because she purchases her blinders from the same store you do.