Another Victory in the War on Drugs

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
Actually, you're missing the point. The judge had more options than having someone convicted of a misdemeanor killed. She chose to ignore them. She needs to be disbarred because she purchases her blinders from the same store you do.

Ahhh, now you're being intellectually dishonest, and meshing two completely seperate issues.

The judge didn't sentence him to death.  The judge sentenced him to jail.  He broke the law, he was sentenced accordingly.

I understand you mourn the loss of a fellow doper, but you should suggest to your compatriots that they try to change the laws, not cry when they are convicted of breaking them.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Martlet
I wouldn't break the law.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I realize you would like to make the merits of pot smoking an issue, but your druggie ideals really have nothing to do with this case.

He broke the law.

Martlet.
I am not a druggie In fact I havent used anything stronger then an advil since I ended my treatments. as I have no further need for it.

  We will just have to see how you feel about the nonsence your spewing when its you or someone very close to you that is the one afflicted.
  And you get to either feel it for yourself or look over that loved one and because of your half assed ideals on this matter you choose to watch them suffer.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK


  We will just have to see how you feel about the nonsence your spewing when its you or someone very close to you that is the one afflicted.
  And you get to either feel it for yourself or look over that loved one and because of your half assed ideals on this matter you choose to watch them suffer.

The "poor me" act doesn't hold water with me.  And don't assume you're the only person in this discussion who is a cancer survivor.

He broke the law.  He was sentenced accordingly.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, now you're being intellectually dishonest, and meshing two completely seperate issues.

The judge didn't sentence him to death.  The judge sentenced him to jail.  He broke the law, he was sentenced accordingly.

I understand you mourn the loss of a fellow doper, but you should suggest to your compatriots that they try to change the laws, not cry when they are convicted of breaking them.

Now you're being intellectually deficient and jumping to conclusions you couldn't buy yourself back out of even if you were to pawn your entire collection of Village People records.

When a judge determines sentence it is their responsibility to determine if the sentence is excessive - especially if there's a chance that it involves a danger to the life of the person being sentenced. Is this really to much of a mental leap for you to make? I'm sure jumping off that cliffside assuming I do drugs was an easier one.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
Now you're being intellectually deficient and jumping to conclusions you couldn't buy yourself back out of even if you were to pawn your entire collection of Village People records.

When a judge determines sentence it is their responsibility to determine if the sentence is excessive - especially if there's a chance that it involves a danger to the life of the person being sentenced. Is this really to much of a mental leap for you to make? I'm sure jumping off that cliffside assuming I do drugs was an easier one.

A judge has sentencing guidelines.  The sentence was within those guidelines.

He broke the law.  He was sentenced accordingly.  I'm sorry one of your fellow dopers died.  He broke the law.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
A judge has sentencing guidelines.  The sentence was within those guidelines.

He broke the law.  He was sentenced accordingly.  I'm sorry one of your fellow dopers died.  He broke the law.

A judge also supposedly has common sense. She failed to use it. I'm sorry you're failing to use yours too.

I don't have fellow dopers. I don't do dope. But I am sorry he died. Genuinely sorry ... not just using that phrase in some sort of pathetic attempt to categorize someone so I can feel better about being stupid ... like that Martlet guy.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
A judge also supposedly has common sense. She failed to use it. I'm sorry you're failing to use yours too.

I don't have fellow dopers. I don't do dope. But I am sorry he died. Genuinely sorry ... not just using that phrase in some sort of pathetic attempt to categorize someone so I can feel better about being stupid ... like that Martlet guy.

We have laws.
If you break them, there are consequences.
The judge sentenced a law breaker just like she was directed to by the guidelines she must follow.


If you break the law, you pay the price.  It isn't a system she set up.   It's the system we set up.

Don't want to go to jail?  Don't break the law.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
We have laws.
If you break them, there are consequences.
The judge sentenced a law breaker just like she was directed to by the guidelines she must follow.


If you break the law, you pay the price.  It isn't a system she set up.   It's the system we set up.

Don't want to go to jail?  Don't break the law.

He only went to jail because the judge wanted him to. Even the DA wasn't pushing for it. The judge chose to make an example of the worst possible choice she could. His blood's on her hands. That's where sense, morality and judgement link in with the letter of the law. That's what defines a good judge from a bad one.

And just because you haven't been caught and busted yet, don't think that you're above it all.  

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
He only went to jail because the judge wanted him to. Even the DA wasn't pushing for it. The judge chose to make an example of the worst possible choice she could. His blood's on her hands. That's where sense, morality and judgement link in with the letter of the law. That's what defines a good judge from a bad one.

And just because you haven't been caught and busted yet, don't think that you're above it all.  

No, he went to jail because HE BROKE THE LAW.  You keep leaving that fact out of your equation.  

You break the law, you get caught, you get sentenced.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
No, he went to jail because HE BROKE THE LAW.  You keep leaving that fact out of your equation.  

You break the law, you get caught, you get sentenced.

That fact hasn't been disputed by a single person in this thread. I just figured you have to keep reminding yourself of that detail to justify the death.

Well .... when the highway patrol officer hauls you in and locks the cell because you failed the sobriety test (even though you were "sober") and you complain of chest pains and the aspirin he gives you doesn't save your life, just remember - he was just doing his duty within the limit of the law. Your family would do well to thank him.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
That fact hasn't been disputed by a single person in this thread. I just figured you have to keep reminding yourself of that detail to justify the death.

Well .... when the highway patrol officer hauls you in and locks the cell because you failed the sobriety test (even though you were "sober") and you complain of chest pains and the aspirin he gives you doesn't save your life, just remember - he was just doing his duty within the limit of the law. Your family would do well to thank him.

Nope, that's a completely different situation.  He is responsible for my care in custody.

The judge has the responsibility to try and sentence in accordance with the law.  If you were crying that the guys jailers should be held responsible, I'd whole heartedly agree.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
Nope, that's a completely different situation.  He is responsible for my care in custody.

The judge has the responsibility to try and sentence in accordance with the law.  If you were crying that the guys jailers should be held responsible, I'd whole heartedly agree.

The judge also has the responsibility of reasonable sentencing. He wasn't convicted of trafficing or of a crime that actually involved violence or a threat. As a matter of fact he was only convicted of a misdemeanor. Are you getting this? It was a misdemeanor and he wasn't a threat to the public. The law, in his case (as in many cases), had latitude in sentencing. This is done for a reason.

The reason: Because every case is unique. As is the practical situation dealing with the sentencing of each individual.

This individual was a quadrapalegic that required special care that the judge assumed that the jail facility and staff was capable of giving based on .... assurances?

How many disabled individuals has she sent to jail? Was this the first? How many seconds of deliberation did it take for her to decide that ten days in jail was not a threat to this person's life?

There were other options ... under the law! Are you getting this? Do you really care? What would it take for you to care? What would it have taken for the judge to?

No, man. You can't wave that "broke the law - sentenced accordingly - everything's fine" flag and not expect that something like this doesn't get reviewed and addressed. And it'll certainly be a bizarre turn of events if those who look into this parrot what you've been stuck repeating here.

Now .... just say it again and everything'll be alright.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
The judge also has the responsibility of reasonable sentencing. He wasn't convicted of trafficing or of a crime that actually involved violence or a threat. As a matter of fact he was only convicted of a misdemeanor. Are you getting this? It was a misdemeanor and he wasn't a threat to the public. The law, in his case (as in many cases), had latitude in sentencing. This is done for a reason.

The reason: Because every case is unique. As is the practical situation dealing with the sentencing of each individual.

This individual was a quadrapalegic that required special care that the judge assumed that the jail facility and staff was capable of giving based on .... assurances?

How many disabled individuals has she sent to jail? Was this the first? How many seconds of deliberation did it take for her to decide that ten days in jail was not a threat to this person's life?

There were other options ... under the law! Are you getting this? Do you really care? What would it take for you to care? What would it have taken for the judge to?

No, man. You can't wave that "broke the law - sentenced accordingly - everything's fine" flag and not expect that something like this doesn't get reviewed and addressed. And it'll certainly be a bizarre turn of events if those who look into this parrot what you've been stuck repeating here.

Now .... just say it again and everything'll be alright.

The judge used latitude.  He didn't get the maximum sentence.  He got what the judge felt was fair.

Because he broke the law.  If he didn't want to go to jail, he shouldn't have broken the law.

He made his choice.

[Curval]

I am Marlet.  You have broken the law.  You have been sentanced accordingly.  You may not question the basis upon which you were convicted or the law that you have been convicted of breaking.  Suck it up you big drug addict.

Is it happy hour yet?

[Martlet]

C'mon dude, it was just a little weed and a handgun.  Cut a brother some slack.  

If I get caught do I get my bong back?  When is "Up in Smoke" on again?