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« Reply #135 on: October 08, 2004, 10:04:06 PM »
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torque... he was talking to you... he asked if you needed wood.

lazs


Laz, gettting all worked up over politics and manly women, you're a hoot.

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« Reply #136 on: October 08, 2004, 10:04:09 PM »
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DING DING DING!

...and the (unscientific) results are in...

CNN

President Bush      16%  4949 votes  
John Kerry      83%  26448 votes  

Fox

a. President Bush      30%  4,328
b. Senator Kerry     70%  10,301

:)


HAHAHA!

Do the liberals have little IM parties where they get together and all go vote at the same time?

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« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2004, 10:05:58 PM »
i guess 1 user can only vote 1 time

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« Reply #138 on: October 08, 2004, 10:06:34 PM »
RPM I do believe after reading your comments you're awfully quick on the trigger to say 'yay Kerry' but you did say you're biased.

I liked a few things Bush said.  The first is his response to the draft question, "No Draft" was the answer and millions of people just heard him say it.  Also, he said he will not spend any tax dollars on abortion.  Bravo, excellent decision.  I think he beat Kerry during the talks about Iran and North Korea.  I also think he did a good job with the stem cell issues.  He may be against it, but he allowed some research to take place.  He gave them funding to see how things went, but clearly allowed it to go only so far.

I vote for a president based on what his stance on issues is, and with Bush you know where he stands.  He has the resolve to see the course of a decision and he is not afraid to order a bomb onto someone who would do harm to our country.  I like that.  Whether or not we should've, could've or would've gone to war with Kerry is not the issue.  Beating that dead horse does nobody any good.  Bottom line is there are Iraqis over there who have a taste of freedom, something they never had in their lives.

I have an analogy on why the Iraq issues simply need time to run their course.  I believe freedom will prevail and it's only a matter of time before those terrorsists are no longer safe in that country.  Not from U.S. soldiers with .223 rounds, but from their neighbors.

Here is my analogy.  We are all warbird, aviation and history enthusiasts.  Lets say that suddenly, your favorite airplane was given to you for no other reason than someone felt that you deserve it.  You'd look at the airplane, jump up and down and be very happy that you have your dream machine.  But then, that wears off because you don't know how to get it started, get it moving and take it off.  You need someone to teach you all the things that it is capable of.  In the case of having a democracy, it will take time for the Iraqis to learn all the great things a democracy is capable of doing.

I don't agree with everything our government does regarding issues, nobody ever agrees with everyone because you can't please everyone all the time.  I choose not to agree with Kerry saying this is the wrong war, wrong place and wrong time.  So what?  What we have to do now is help the Iraqi people get on their feet, show them what they are capable of and use the resources at hand to make themselves a respected and proud nation of the world.  Everything Bush has done I feel is a step in the right direction for Iraq, and it will take time to see it through to the end.  Freedom isn't free, but I can think of no nobler cause than giving freedom to millions of people.

Bush gets my vote because I trust him to make the decisions that are best for our country and our new friends in Iraq.  I hope I was not the only one cheering for the Iraqi soccer team in the olympics.  I'd also like people to keep in mind about Kerry and his 'popularity' among global leaders.  What is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular.  I think President Bush made the right decision taking Saddam out of power and I will continue to support him because I can trust him to do what is best for America.

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« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2004, 10:07:11 PM »
If I may be so bold as to offer a sort of baseline... Much like in the VP debates...

People ONLY needed to see a viable alternative.

None of this stem cell crap, none of this abortion chit...

You think people are really hung up on this stuff?

No - they just needed to see a viable alternative.

That was done.

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« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2004, 10:07:41 PM »
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Well with this wrapping up Id like to thank everyone for a nice level headed dissucsion about the debate. Its obvious everyone has their opionons but everyone here tonight was willing to look at both sides and be honest about what the awnsers sounded like. Its been a true pleasure.
 


BTW agree on this as well.

Well done by all participents
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« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2004, 10:08:01 PM »
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I agree nobody was going to pull a rabbit out of their *** tonight. My analysis:

Bush seemed a bit less composed than Kerry, he lost his cool at times and had that "deer in the headlights" moment. Overall it was a much better performance than his last, but no better than a B.

Kerry also failed to say anything new, but he was sharp. He did have the one moment during the stem cell answer where he was searching for words, but the answer still was effective. Kerry didn't take any damage this round. Overall preformance A-.

No Jon Stewart tonight. Bill Mahr is on HBO tho.


Very good analysis RPM, you make very strong points. I can see where you come up with your performance grades.


EDIT: Oh and im a republican and a bush fan, but I have the ablity too see both sides and be intelligant and what you have said makes sense regardless of my beliefs.

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« Reply #142 on: October 08, 2004, 10:08:21 PM »
You are wrong Nash.  There are a whole lot of people that vote those issues only.

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« Reply #143 on: October 08, 2004, 10:10:21 PM »
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If I may be so bold as to offer a sort of baseline... Much like in the VP debates...

People ONLY needed to see a viable alternative.

None of this stem cell crap, none of this abortion chit...

You think people are really hung up on this stuff?

No - they just needed to see a viable alternative.

That was done.


Stem cell isnt a big issue for me nor is abortion though in some cercles I know ini RL it is a make or break issue.

I dont see kerry as having done a single thing to help himself tonight.
couple minor issues maybe but nothing thats gonna cause people to see him as the "Viable alternative"
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« Reply #144 on: October 08, 2004, 10:12:09 PM »
Any objectivity by ABC moderator Charles Gibson was lost with his selection of the loaded last question to President Bush about what his "three greatest mistakes" were.  Talk about a guaranteed negative downer conclusion, and with Kerry getting the last word on rebuttal too.

Like any reasonably trained debater, Bush justifiably dodged that barb.  Such amateurish bias qualifies Gibson for a role in Moore's next movie.
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« Reply #145 on: October 08, 2004, 10:12:26 PM »
Okay....

.5% of the population is hung up on it.

It's a forest for the trees type thing.

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« Reply #146 on: October 08, 2004, 10:15:07 PM »
I think the wood comment was actually a great score for Bush but im thinking thats going to come back to kick him in the arse in the end.

My take on this year election is this, I wish Bush and Edwards could run together, frankly I hate Cheney. I do believe he is crooked and could cause alot of trouble. I like bush but I think he needs a stronger cabinet. I dont like Kerry because in my own opinion I dont feel that he will make any drastic changes and we are going to ahve to deal with the transition period. I think Bush at least as the ablitiy to continue on is tract and try to fix his mistakes which is possible. Frankly I like Edwards and wanted him to get the nod from the Dems, I think he would have been alot like clinton, I think he would have gotten the job done and still kept everyone happy.

Notice i used the words I THINK alot, thats because this is what I believe and I know its not what everyone else thinks and thats what makes this country great is that people can think and believe in whatever they want.

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« Reply #147 on: October 08, 2004, 10:15:17 PM »
Three points

1. Why does Bush have to give three decisions he regrets and Kerry doesn’t have  to give his three, he just got 90 sec. to restate his case from the last question?

2. Kerry gives credit to the commander of the airwar GW1 for doing a good job to a war he voted against. Why with a UN resolution to go to war with the collation that he keeps touting (GW1) he votes against it and Bush doesn’t Jap slap him with it. Lost chance.

3. We know Kerry is a great debater maybe a master debater that’s a given, I think Bush was much better tonight and Kerry was stiff (want wood) and lawyer like.

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« Reply #148 on: October 08, 2004, 10:15:36 PM »
Wrong, buddy, my guess is about 30% of the voters vote it as primary issue.

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« Reply #149 on: October 08, 2004, 10:16:06 PM »
Bush won on style... Kerry kicked bellybutton on substance. I call it a draw.